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Ahh Darn, or Belgium to use a phrase. Mind you that did make a reasonable reason (slightly more than a bloke getting shot at a station). It's a case I suppose of putting two and two together and getting five... also not really trusting your history teachers.
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as I said most you know is fabrication
a few more
history - British generals fought the war far behind the lines and were hated by the troops
fact - more british generals were killed than german, fench and american put together, Haig was gerneally very well liked by the troops and a lot of the late war generals were very highly regarded, the old school generals were all pretty mush gone by 1916 as they couldnt adapt to the new type of war
genersls forced attacks that had no hope of success, whilst these attack did occur they nearly all occured though pressure by political masters and against the advice of the generals
haig in particualr had no quarms about ording thousands to thier deaths,
fact haig was willing to try anything new to reduce casualties and was one of the most progressive leaders of any armed forces during the war
in 1914 the politicos in london refused the miltary permission to retreat to high ground forcing them to fight the war in the valley bottom with its associated mud and miltary horendous tactical positions
in 1916 the british industry was still making shratnal shells despite them being ineffective in trench warfare, but the govenment had place huge orders in 1914 and they had to be completed despite not being the right type of shell, this meant that early war british artillery was particually ineffective
(by 1918 britsih artillary was exceptionally effective)
history - the Generals still used the same discredited tactics
fact - the british tactics changed dematically thoughout the war , whilst the French (and the US ) were still using the same tactics in 1918 as they did in 1914 , the germans only changed in late 1918 when they moved to storm trooper tactics once they got the influx of trained trooped released by the end of the war in the east
another tipbit, the British front line in 1918 was twice the length it was in 1916 yet only had aboput half the number of troops to defend it (Lloyd George stopped conscription as he thought it would effect his reellection hopes)
for a good read on the subject that does not follow the propergander from the politicos of the 20s try Mud, Blood and Poppycock
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mud-Blood-Poppycock-Britain-Military-ebook/dp/B00A7ZJRYI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1389702212&sr=8-2&keywords=poppycock[^]
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Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Another good book to read is "The Unknown Army: Mutinies in the British Army in World War I" Also I was of the view it was fought by generals who had lots of experience fighting colonial wars where the was mismatch between arms (the Maxim versus the Spear etc.) and so hiding in a hole while the opposition charges at you was a sane idea. However it goes wrong when both sides do the same thing...
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carefull you are hitting another myth, the British army of 1914 stopped the far bigger German army, that led to the trench war, if you are forced to attack the enemy trench you can use fire and maneuver or the walk to the gun they used, the first you neen trained troops for something the british army of 1916 did not have, the second was the only alternative (as the politico would not let you just defend but required attacks to calm the public at home , oh and to take pressure off the French )
did you know that your were far more likely to have been killed on D day then you were at the somme?
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I did know that. It's odd really how Field Marshall Haig was vilified for so long, had a rehabilitation. Being vilified again...
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politics pure politics, Lloyd George ran a propergander campaign to blame Haig so as to deflect his own resposibility
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Johnny J. wrote: why would the other Americans try so desperately to get rid of them??? <Bart Simpson>Au contraire mon frair</Bart Simpson>
Twas the "You're-a-pee'ins" that brought over those pesky diseases that really got the ball rolling killing native North American / South American folk in bulk.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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didnt syphilis orginate in the colonies? that seems to have even the score a bit
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Yeah, pay-back is a bitch.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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now I admit I am remembering this rather than looking it up but I seem to remember that the first case of syphilis in europe predates the first case of smallpox in the colonies (true only by a year or so) so you could argue that smallpox is the payback
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: true only by a year or so Because tracking / reporting of diseases in the 15th century was exemplary!
More importantly - Native Americans did not bring syphilis to Europe. Europeans brought it home from the Americas after trips of conquest.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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thats it, blame the French.
I am always suprised that US Brits occupied so little of the US (about 10% IIRC)
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: thats it, blame the French. Of course. Its not like they'll defend themselves!
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: I am always suprised that US Brits occupied so little of the US (about 10% IIRC) The high rent district...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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sorry if our occupation drove up the rents
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A valid and quite interesting point. The tour director will probably drag me along despite your glowing review.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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I believe that Depp is 1/4 Native american or something
Also wasnt the tribe of tonto actually wiped out by the merkins (I know the tribe he is portaying isnt the same as the orginial story)
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Dalek Dave wrote: it is seen as acceptable to Red Up
If anything, the make up he is wearing is white-up, so that's fine then.
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'Tis any weirder than yr own auld sod's son, Alec Guinness, as Professor Godbole in "Passage to India" (1984) ?
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.”
“How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice.
“You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
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Or Joel Grey[^] as a chinaman in Remo Williams[^]?
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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or the true classic, John Wayne as Gengis Khan, not only makeup but truely non PC slanty eyes
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I thought you were shitting me, so I had to go look it up. And sadly... you shat me not!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049092/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_47[^]
I'm deeply disappointed. But John Wayne is still responsible for a whole lot of my all time favourite movies (and not just the westerns)...
Number 3 on this list[^] (but then again: I don't know if I agree about all the movies on the list. #19 for instance looks quite interesting... )
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He paid for that.
They filmed downrange from the Atomic Bomb Test Site and everyone died of cancer.
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Obscurum per obscurius.
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Very interesting. I'm surprised that I hadn't heard of that movie at all before now. With such a history, it seems to be as big a story as that of Tutankhamun.
It's quite ludicrous actually, that big star John Wayne should die from making the worst movie in his career! PLUS the fact that it was originally Marlon Brando that should have played the part - Wayne INSISTED that he should do it. Talk about a poor decision!
Now I just HAVE to see it - sh*tty or not. Luckily it can be found on the Bay, so I don't have to pay good money for it...
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modified 14-Jan-14 6:11am.
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You havent heard of it as Howard Hughes bought all the copies he could and destroyed them
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Well, at $14.98[^], I guess he could afford it, but he seems to have missed 2 copies.
It can be bought here in Sweden as well for as little as $3.50.
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant Anonymous ----- The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine Winston Churchill, 1944 ----- I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. Me, all the time
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