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Munchies_Matt wrote: if we have decided tobacco is bad then ban it, immediately.
.. along with alcoholic drinks, sugar-based drinks, artificial sweeteners, trans-fats, caffeine, sweets, MSG, oil, petrol, diesel, many plastics, aerosols and a whole heap of other things which are unarguably bad for us.
While we're at it, let's ban the sale of raw chicken unless anyone tries to eat it without cooking it. Is this really a risk we can afford to be taking?
Alternatively, we could just abandon the whole nanny state concept and treat people like adults. If we die, we die - surely a victory of sorts for evolution.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: along with alcoholic drinks
No, there is known benefit to drinking alcohol.
PeejayAdams wrote: sugar-based drinks
Sugar is not healthy, but lack of exercise is the key issue in type 2 diabetes, so rather than sugar, ban transport! 
PeejayAdams wrote: artificial sweeteners
No health risk.
PeejayAdams wrote: trans-fats
Werent they banned already? 
PeejayAdams wrote: caffeine
No, it has no health risk.
PeejayAdams wrote: sweets
Already covered that
PeejayAdams wrote: MSG
For those who dont like Chinese Food Syndrome, dont eat Chinese food! 
PeejayAdams wrote: oil, petrol, diesel
Now you are being silly.
PeejayAdams wrote: we could just abandon the whole nanny state
So you think heroin, cocaine, meth, opium, crack, LSD, hash, shroooms, PCP, angel dust, etc etc etc should be legal?
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It comes as a mighty relief to hear that tobacco is the only legal thing that's bad for us.
Whether that's proof or disproof that we live in age of excessive health and safety policies is up for debate, I guess
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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PeejayAdams wrote: Whether that's proof or disproof that we live in age of excessive health
Longevity?
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Well - maybe not the only legal thing that's bad for us, but, on the other hand, it's the only one that received public welfare[^]
Basically, it's a Communist plot by the right-wing tobacco growers - the government tax dollars going into keeping them in business.
Actually, the real problem with the TV adverts penalty is that it should also extract the money paid over the years (in this socialist-inspired mess!) from those fine patriotic American tobacco growers who'd never have taken demanded a government handout if they had know that (were it not going to them) would be a horrific interference by the government in the running of their business.
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PeejayAdams wrote: and treat people like adults.
However, when it comes to tobacco, most people get addicted as a youth.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You know why, you are just being bloody obtuse. Too much money involved over too long a period.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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There used to be money in Opium too, in fact the UK govt went to war to protect its opium market.
There is sufficient will today to ban tobacco. Any govt with a pair should just do so. And 99% of smokers, while panicking at the thought, actually would feel grateful in their heart of hearts.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: And 99% of smokers, while panicking at the thought, actually would feel grateful in their heart of hearts.
Very much so. We'd save a bloody fortune.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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It is staggering how much some people spend on cigarettes. I have a friend who has little income, yet smokes 40 a day. That is a staggering 15 euros a day, 100 a week. As much as food!
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That's kind of crazy - I spend about £20 a week on 'baccy.
I've never really understood people who smoke ready-rolled cigs. They're stupidly expensive, taste lousy and are way worse for you than the real thing. If you're going to do something, at least do it properly!
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Yeah, when I smoked it was golf virginia, not a bad smoke in fact, and much nicer than pre rolled, and much cheaper.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: ...yet smokes 40 a day. That is a staggering 15 euros a day...
You lucky bastards. AUD$40.00 for a packet of 40 over here. Missus does easily 3.5 packs a week. Stupid bastard.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I would love to see them forced to make their product LESS addictive and thereby destroy the industry over a short period of time.
Even if it is illegal to own tabacco, I will not stop smoking, at least not until I stop breathing completely.
With air-pollution levels currently being so bad that it equals to smoking 6 sigarettes per day in 1980, and the obesity-epedimic in the US starting at the time that they banned the smokes.
Yes, it is unhealthy. Living usually is, and I do not want to die healthy.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: With air-pollution levels currently being so bad that it equals to smoking 6 sigarettes per day in 1980
Really? In Holland? Surprises me. You are near the coast, should be fairly clean air.
Mexico City in the 80s. Now that WAS polluted. It actually hurt to breathe.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Really? In Holland? Surprises me. You are near the coast, should be fairly clean air.
New York and Hong Kong are closer to the coast. Real clean air there, right?
May surprise you that it is that polluted, I'm not, since I'm not near a coast and am near Chemelot. It has also been in the local news, that's where I got those numbers from.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Is their wind on shore most of the year?
Thats the difference, the wind in Holland os off the Channel/North Sea most of the time, it should keep it fairly clear. (Down here in South West England, the bit that sticks out into the Atlantic, we have about 4000 miles of sea between us and the next land, so we get the purest and freshest air you can imagine. )
Chemalot! I thought you were joking, King Arthur, Camelot and all that, but no:
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Yeah, and a long way from the coast.
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This part of the Netherlands is littered with hills, and we have more of a land-climate than a sea-climate.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Chemalot! I thought you were joking, King Arthur, Camelot and all that, but no
I'll admit that it is a cool name for an industrial area
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: This part of the Netherlands is littered with hills
Yeah, had a friend lived in Eijsden, spent a lot of time there. Nice area. And Maastricht.
I lived in Luxembourg for a while too, a very continental climate, bloody cold in winter!
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they put a checkout divider after their items. Bonus points when they do it without anyone waiting behind them in line.
Checkout divider picture[^]
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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That's how people are raised in the UK... It's almost inconceivable to be in a supermarket checkout line and someone does not put the divider down! You'd know they were foreign. Or European which is much worse.
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I will not forget that, should I ever feel the need to spend time on an island with bad weather.
Edit: Ooops, you fooled me into thinking you come from some foggy island with bad weather.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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