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5 Individuals, separate locations...
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RyanDev wrote: Since when did a group of 5 people talking be considered "talking to yourself?"
They're called "meetings".
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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I/we can hope 
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My favourite example of this was when I was walking down a street in Shanghai at about 2300hrs with the missus.
About 150 yards in front of us was a young girl, wearing a nurse's uniform (just come off shift, or something). We couldn't hear anything she was saying, but her gesticulations (we were watching from behind, remember) were absolutely hilarious.
She was obviously having a "discussion" with her boyfriend, and we could feel what she was saying, even if we didn't know the details -- arms snapping out, fingers waving, etc; but no-one else there!
We followed her down a road we didn't want to go down, simply because it was so entertaining.
Poor thing. We've all been through such "discussions", so it strikes a chord, when we see someone else suffering one.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Oh good, I was under the impression that it was something to do with myself (maybe I'm not a wierdo magnet!) 
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Mark_Wallace wrote: We followed her down a road we didn't want to go down, simply because it was so entertaining.
How long did it take before you realised she was talking to the police to report a couple of weirdos stalking her? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard, could you please clarify why you marked and closed my question as spam or similar, would it not be more helpful to clarify what you think is wrong or incomplete with it. thank you!
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Which question?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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How did they get here from 10 years ago?
Immanentize the Eschaton!
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Meaning: Win10 needs a fast, frail, expensive device to do... what, exactly?
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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den2k88 wrote: Meaning: Win10 needs a fast, frail, expensive device to do... what, exactly?
Read all your data and send it back to the mothership, of course.
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Oh, if that's the case they may proceed. I destroy demons and motherships since the day of Doom II and I have the proof on my hard disk.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Just for the record we had a customer's win 10 PC in here about a month ago where the disk was 100% all the time and slow was the machine because of it.
Windows defender turned out to be the reason. We shut it off by any means possible which is like extracting a badger from it's hole but once we did and replaced it with another antivirus product the disk utilization went to normal level and performance was restored.
It was a fun afternoon.
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Good to know, thanks. I will keep it in mind in the remote possibility I will install Win10!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Before pointing at Win10, check if it's Chrome. Firefox used to have an issue where it would page like crazy, but haven't seen that for a while (it still pages too much, though.)
Edit: Hmm, your original post already pointed to Chrome as the culprit.
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Joe Woodbury wrote: Hmm, your original post already pointed to Chrome as the culprit.
Yes, but I never saw these problems until win10 and I keep on telling people that I get way more sympathy by blaming win10.
also, when my machine started out I had win8.1 and was a happy camper with a fast HDD.
Then, Win10 came along and took over my machine. Honestly, it was after that I started seeing all these I/O issues.
Yes, Chrome is the culprit but I think Win10 is also guilty as charged.
However, none of it matters now since i have an SSD.
Blithely I roll. Happily ignorant of whatever anyone does to I/O.
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I noticed that Chrome really went south when it went "full" HTML5. I've also noticed that on my Android phone, the Chrome browser has been crashing more frequently. So may be a coincidence of timing.
(Google is supposedly full of brilliant people; could some of them work on Chrome?)
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raddevus wrote: Blithely I roll. Happily ignorant of whatever anyone does to I/O.
That is awesome, but what if this cuts the actual lifetime of your SSD to a few months?
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Actually, you have made me nervous with this whole thing. I am waiting for the parts to arrive for my first new build in many years and, yes, it will be a Windows 10 system. I sprung for one of those fancy new NVMe M.2 drives and I would really hate to see that burn up.
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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My Samsung SSD is running pretty fine since the release of Windows 8.
PS: I bought another for data and it is great.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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It doesn't sound like the underlying problem is solved however.
If Windows is constantly hitting a (spinning) disk and it gets to a point where the disk is so busy that the whole OS is unusable, then there's something going on that's absolutely not "normal", and getting a faster drive isn't really a solution.
Is the SSD still constantly transferring data (but you just don't notice because the drive can keep up)?
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dandy72 wrote: Is the SSD still constantly transferring data (but you just don't notice because the drive can keep up)?
Probably.
But also, if you follow my article and other rants about this HDD / Win10 / Chrome / Microsoft Telemetry you will see that it is somewhat of a Perfect Storm that occurs "at times".
The basic summary is:
1. My machine was becoming totally overwhelmed by I/O
2. It really got worse under Win10
3. It became unusably bad when a Chrome failure caused MS Telemetry to send data back to the mothership and then both of those failures accessed the disk 100% and I couldn't even move my mouse -- not kidding.
4. I removed Chrome, MS Drive (originally auto installed) and a bunch of other things accessing the disk.
5. My machine was better but I still got high I/O (25% sometimes spiking high) with the HDD I really noticed. Admittedly I do stream music also while doing other things.
EDIT 5a. and still at times I saw MS Exes and Services take off and I'd be at 100% for 3 or 4 minutes.
6. Finally I just wanted a solution so I ordered the SSD and it fixed it.
7. I'm blissfully ignorant of what lies beneath.
The SSD stays in the 0-1% range and only spikes at times to 4%, even with streaming music and Visual Studio builds. Wahoooo!!!!
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