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Forogar wrote: Now you're just being silly!
Recall that the taste of bacon his little if anything to do with the (figurative) pigs-butt it came from, except for the fattiness. All the smoking and spicing is added.
Now, imagine that a (admittedly tasteless) medium is jacked up with all sorts of savory goodness. You really do get what you're looking for . . . unless, of course, it's clogged arteries you seek.
You need to consider what you're wanting to taste as a flavor - not its source - and new magic will enter your world.
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Except I'm talking about British bacon (which has an actual lean meat content) rather than the bacon flavoured fat strips the Mercans call "bacon".
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Here's a thought - not a challenge: consider what it is you like about meat, but in terms of separate characteristics. Texture, taste, oil/grease content, etc.
Now - I've been vegetarian since 1971 - and will be the first to tell you that most veggieburgers taste like a serious mistake. Unfortunately, a lot of commercial producers have historically made bland heaps with unsatisfying textures (In Asia, some fake meat products became quite good, but barely know in the west). Pretty much they cooked with a take-it-or-leave it attitude, or, at best, gave in to mediocrity because they thought they had to.
This has all changed - not to say the garbage isn't still sold as food. But, in the USA, the Morningstar Farms line is absolutely amazing (even fake bacon - it doesn't shrink). Other companies (like the ToFurkey line) have expanded to create some sausage-like items that are amazingly like pepperoni. Seitan (wheat gluten) is actually fibrous as well as chewy - an important component of muscle tissue based meat. Seasoned, it would quite amaze you.
Unfortunately, I acknowledge the bad name that has been curried (pun intended) for vegetarian food. Then, too, even a slab of beast can be ruined.
Logically, most of these things (burgers, bacon, buffalo wings) aren't meat, per se, but items traditionally made with meat. If it was healthy and tasty, what's missing?
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Meat is healthy, if eaten in moderate quantity and favouring white meat to red meat. Fish, meat, vegetables, wheat derived products... they're all healthy because the all provide things our bodies need. I tend not to exagerate in any food group (only to be extremely partial to sweets and dairy products).
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Humans evolved into omnivores - we can basically eat nearly anything. People grow strong and healthy (possibly after generations of re-evolving for local foodstuff) wherever there is adequate nutrition.
My vegetarianism is not health-oriented. It's ethical. No leather shoes for example. It was never an expectation to become healthier. One would need to eat pretty badly to get a really observable health boost from going vegetarian (aside from placebo effect).
Raising meat, however, is very inefficient. A lot of good vegetable protein is required to make much less meat protein (roughly 10:1); Even dairy is 3:1. Like fossil fuel, it's important but it's time is passing (I'm pro-nuke whilst other methods are developed). Oil, even when it was US$3/barrel was too precious as a raw material to burn - it's quite insane to do so.
So - I don't recruit. Just try to teach that Tofu is tasteless - but so, essentially, is flour. You love your cookies, cakes, and pies, breads, tacos, . . . ToFu, too, can be played with endlessly as a medium for yummy stuff. At least when I cook it. Maybe it's the inner chemist
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W∴ Balboos wrote: If it was healthy and tasty, what's missing?
meat, definately meat! 
Now being serious, i understand your position and i believe that there is a lot of good vegetarian food. But one thing that is disturbing me most is that (at least here in germany) the things go to far. Why does a veggi schnitzel have to taste like a real schnitzel? Why? Either i go for real meat or just leave it as it is, spicing it up and giving a nice taste.
Then to go on the bacon, i love the natural taste of good ol schwarzwälder schinkenspeck[^]. It's perfect for a lazy "after dinner", eating a few slices and having a good wine to it (Whisk(e)y also works). Maybe one has also some cheese to it.
For the "cheap" bacon i am with you, it's mostly the spice that gives the flavour. This is also quite correct for most of the meat but there are different types of meat i would never add spices to like a fine steak. Maybe you'll add a bit of salt at the end but you could basically enjoy it medium rare without anything additional to it.
I am a 90% carnivore btw. i don't eat salad 
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I had some good and some awful veggieburgers. I totally agree that the Morningstar Farms burgers are the best I have tried.
I agree that the world should give up on fossil fuels. Nuclear power would be cheap and safe if everyone stopped making it harder than it should be. More people die from dirty air due to burning fossil fuels than ever have from radiation or nuclear explosion - by several magnitudes!
I am an omnivore and probably eat more vegetables than meat, but I still eat meat - because I like it.
Life is short and often miserable for long periods of time with little patches of joy here and there. I grasp what patches of joy I can get, hopefully, and certainly with the intention of doing so, without doing anyone else harm. For me to give up eating meat would not be a big plus for anyone else and would be a huge hit to my morale, and my wife's morale as she enjoys cooking for me and is a typical American carnivore. So... not gonna give it up, sorry.
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Forogar wrote: I still eat meat - because I like it.
The point I would like to have made is that suppose the veggie-whatever has the flavor and texture you like. And the nutrition. Does it matter that it's not 'real' meat?
Forogar wrote: Life is short . . . For me to give up eating meat would not be a big plus for anyone else . . .
Especially if you're being raised for food, this may be quite the plus! The number may be higher, but in the US, alone, roughly 200 chickens are slaughtered . . . per second.
Forogar wrote: So... not gonna give it up, sorry.
I don't proselytize for people to give up meat . . .at least not directly. My point is that if you had your flavor/texture/nutrition - did you actually give up anything? When your sink your canines into a juicy chewy savory hunk of food - and drool for more - that should handle it, shouldn't it?
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Meat is murder!
Tasty, tasty murder!
I do feel sorry for the 200 chickens... wait, no I don't really. Roast chicken! Yum!
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Aye tall ya a beer is a beer.
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HobbyProggy wrote: a beer is a beer
Not without a trace of hops 'taint. All you could drink . . . but why?
I consoled myself with brandy, Crown-Royal, and various wines.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Not without a trace of hops 'taint.
A beer without hops aint a beer and should not be named like that[^]!
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Reinheitsgebot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^] (you link almost worked).
I believe "AMEN" is appropriate.
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i thought i repaired it, i saw i was missing the t at the end.
But yes AMEN on that 
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Are you still hungry?
veni bibi saltavi
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Maybe next week - I'll consider it.
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It makes "Twin Peaks" seem straight forward.
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I take you mean BorExit? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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All of it - I am exhausted from refreshing Twitter and googling who these new walk-on bit part characters are.
This is a coup d'état but I can't yet see who is orchestrating it.
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I think I may have seen DD lurking in the shadows...
... such stuff as dreams are made on
modified 30-Jun-16 8:39am.
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: This is a coup d'état but I can't yet see who is orchestrating it.
There is one big winner, who'd win on the weakening of the EU, and by extension the Nato.
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Well I was watching new Who series one last night (no football for two days, need the classics) and ...
... what if it's a documentary[^]?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I was going to comment on that without getting (too deep) into soapbox territory. But I must say, I was surprised indeed!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Boxit is, I believe, the term de jour
veni bibi saltavi
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OriginalGriff wrote: BorExit?
You're my new favourite person.
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