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It's kind of like the color black. Black is not a natural color in that it represents a complete lack of pigment or light. Humanity simply had to call it something other than "lack of pigment or light", so they called it "black".
It can also be equated to the word "nothing". What is a hole filled with? The answer, of course, is "nothing". "Nothing" is a word we've given to the "absence of something" so we could have a tangible idea of what it is. In other words, nothing is something, or we wouldn't have a word for it.
In closing, I'd like to remind everyone that their mind is there to step on, and they're likely to do it too, at least two times.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Seems John, that you have given a lot of thought about nothing.
Now we know what it means when the wife asks, "What are you thinking about?" and you answer "Nothing".
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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What women in general don't seem to understand is that when a man responds to that question with "Nothing", they actually mean it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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<PedantWarning type="obligatory for The Lounge">
The absence of pigment is clear and transparent or opaque and white. Pigments are things that absorb colors of light; black is the combination of all pigments and absorbs all (visible) colors of light.
</PedantWarning>
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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That's true for pigments in a "neutral" lighting situation. But for light, black is the absence of photons: any photon will have a colour that is "not black".
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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What about black coloured photons?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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They count as Dark Matter and nobody can see 'em.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Forogar wrote: What about black coloured photons?
They are like the invisible to the naked eye 20 million plus bed-bugs that inhabit the average mattress, each of which defecates once an hour, around-the-clock.
“I speak in a poem of the ancient food of heroes: humiliation, unhappiness, discord. Those things are given to us to transform, so that we may make from the miserable circumstances of our lives things that are eternal, or aspire to be so.” Jorge Luis Borges
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So bedbugs are made of dark matter 
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So his point is actually even more apropos. Since black would mean no photons are reaching the eye, that would mean they're all being absorbed by the object looked at.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Not quite - the major reason for a lack of photons is there is nothing emitting them, rather than something absorbing them.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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perhaps, but when you're looking at an inert object that is black it's because it's absorbing all (or most) available photons.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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The object might be but your eye isn't - since the object absorbed them all!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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That exactly why the object is black. Your eye isn't getting any photons from the object because they've all been absorbed! Hence your eye sees a "hole" of sorts -- black.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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A meta-belief.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: A meta-belief.
When said aloud, that sounds like "I made a belief". 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Sorry Tim, I can't be sympathetic. I think all organized (and disorganized) religions are equally absurd. I guess that makes me a godless heathen. However, I have neither the interest nor the energy to provoke those of a particular religious bent, except maybe the "religion of peace". If you're not familiar with that reference, it's not worthy of discussion.
In other news, I farted a few times this morning.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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And that's the point: You have your views, but you aren't slamming them down anyone else's throats nor mocking anyone for having their own views. It's called being respectful.
And thanks for the news. We were all on tenterhooks on that one.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: It's called being respectful.
Idiots of the various religious persuasions (including atheists) are so busy bashing each other that I feel no need to add to the din. That's not respect - it's more like total indifference. Remember that Quran article about 12 years or so back where the guy insulted himself to save me the trouble? THAT was a laugh riot.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Chris Maunder wrote: It's called being respectful.
Idiots
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Chris Maunder wrote: It's called being respectful.
Idiots
Idiots of the various religious persuasions (including atheists) are so busy bashing each other that I feel no need to add to the din. That's not respect - it's more like total indifference.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I think you missed my point. Chris said it was about being respectful and then you immediately called them idiots.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: I think you missed my point. Chris said it was about being respectful and then you he immediately called them idiots.
FTFY 
I think you missed John's point. He didn't agree with Chris that he was being respectful, and went on to say that he was being indifferent.
Indifferent does not mean respectful. It means indifferent.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Quote: Indifferent does not mean respectful. It means indifferent.
I don't care.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Quote: Indifferent does not mean respectful. It means indifferent.
I don't care.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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