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I need to install VS on my box, which is bestest - 2012 or 2013? Poisonally, it all went down hill after VS 6.0 
speramus in juniperus
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2013 is much better than 2012. I like my 2013 a lot.
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If I'm doing C# and ASP.net, do I need both the web and desktop? [asking for a friend ]
speramus in juniperus
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Just install the C# part and you get both.
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You may also go for the express version for WEB...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Both are stable as much as Microsoft product can be.
If you will use it for web 2013 has some additions that can help you, otherwise no big differences. In fact 2013 is not more than a 2012 patch, made into separate version because of Microsoft policy - new .NET framework === .NEW VS version!
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Microsoft policy - new .NET framework === .NEW VS version === loads of upgrades === lots more money!
FTFY!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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actually, there's no new framework version involved. The reason for a full new product is the breaking changes on the asp.net projects. 2012 can open and compile the project, but you don't get intellisense nor any specific features, such as add controller on mvc 5 projects.
They also needed to launch a new c++ compiler.
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4.5.1!!!
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: In fact 2013 is not more than a 2012 patch, made into separate version because of Microsoft policy - new .NET framework === .NEW VS version!
and they needed the money to offset Windows 8 lack of sales? 
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2013!
Most loved Feature - I can code while i debug my 64bit Programm! in 2012 the Debugger said:
"The F are you doing mate? You can't Code while Debugging! Start from the beginning and try again "
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Title sounded more like a request for wine recomendations or in your case gin 
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
Dogs are man's best Friend,
Cats are man's adorable little serial killer
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Vintage 2012 was a tad towards strongly tannic, but, for many, that was balanced by the subtle dandelion-chaff on-the-wing overtones, the top-note of decaying sphagnum moss, and the poignant apres-bouquet of sweaty en flagrante delicto. There are those who claimed they could detect a faint nose of sulphur in its crashes, but we are unable to remember that.
Vintage 2013 definitely moves toward the floral side of the spectrum with its fizz-pop-bang of crackling carbonic acid release as it teases you with never quite being "ready," and lighter body, its strange top-note of summer athletic socks worn too many times, and its vivid lingering aroma that some liken to Romanian gymnasts fallen from parallel bars, or left-over Scottish haggis.
May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing ?
à chacun son goût
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.”
“How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice.
“You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
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That's what she said!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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BillWoodruff wrote: May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing ?
When it comes to most Microsoft things nowadays (ribbon bar, WPF, VS2010/12/13, W8, etc) sadly I think that swallowing without tasting delivers a less sour experience, at least initially. Regardless of one's approach though, you'll still suffer from indigestion.
Marc
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BillWoodruff wrote: May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing
What do you recommend to cleanse the palette? Eclipse?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Eclipse?
I find that used car battery acid has an after-taste less inclined to linger!
Moreover, used sump-oil has been proven by many to have an odour less repugnant.
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I know its not one of your choices but I say 2010 just because I prefer the IDE versus the new. Although I generate my released applications in 2012 but that I do via the command line.
John
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Visual Studio 2013 is mostly better than 2012, only a few negatives I have found:
1. Seems to have issues with creating new MVC4 projects (for me anyway, option is there but they don't build). MVC5 is better anyway, but something to watch out for
2. No ReSharper 7, have to use 8 which means a new license (if you use ReSharper)
3. No Visual SVN 3.5 or older, have to use 4.
Maybe none of those affect you, that's what I've found anyway!
Well fads they come and fads they go.
And God I love that rock and roll!
Well the point was fast but it was too blunt to miss.
Life handed us a paycheck, we said, "We worked harder than this!"
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I'd recommend 2013 - some of the new features are worth it. See the Jolt awards in Insider News today for details.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Y U no go for eclipse?
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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I'm doing .net stuff, so VS.
As for e*, that can go spend eternity stuffed up Ms H's whatsit! Worse that netbeans, which is saying something.
speramus in juniperus
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I vote for 2013
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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