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Vintage 2012 was a tad towards strongly tannic, but, for many, that was balanced by the subtle dandelion-chaff on-the-wing overtones, the top-note of decaying sphagnum moss, and the poignant apres-bouquet of sweaty en flagrante delicto. There are those who claimed they could detect a faint nose of sulphur in its crashes, but we are unable to remember that.
Vintage 2013 definitely moves toward the floral side of the spectrum with its fizz-pop-bang of crackling carbonic acid release as it teases you with never quite being "ready," and lighter body, its strange top-note of summer athletic socks worn too many times, and its vivid lingering aroma that some liken to Romanian gymnasts fallen from parallel bars, or left-over Scottish haggis.
May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing ?
à chacun son goût
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.”
“How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice.
“You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
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That's what she said!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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BillWoodruff wrote: May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing ?
When it comes to most Microsoft things nowadays (ribbon bar, WPF, VS2010/12/13, W8, etc) sadly I think that swallowing without tasting delivers a less sour experience, at least initially. Regardless of one's approach though, you'll still suffer from indigestion.
Marc
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BillWoodruff wrote: May we suggest you taste both, without swallowing
What do you recommend to cleanse the palette? Eclipse?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Eclipse?
I find that used car battery acid has an after-taste less inclined to linger!
Moreover, used sump-oil has been proven by many to have an odour less repugnant.
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I know its not one of your choices but I say 2010 just because I prefer the IDE versus the new. Although I generate my released applications in 2012 but that I do via the command line.
John
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Visual Studio 2013 is mostly better than 2012, only a few negatives I have found:
1. Seems to have issues with creating new MVC4 projects (for me anyway, option is there but they don't build). MVC5 is better anyway, but something to watch out for
2. No ReSharper 7, have to use 8 which means a new license (if you use ReSharper)
3. No Visual SVN 3.5 or older, have to use 4.
Maybe none of those affect you, that's what I've found anyway!
Well fads they come and fads they go.
And God I love that rock and roll!
Well the point was fast but it was too blunt to miss.
Life handed us a paycheck, we said, "We worked harder than this!"
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I'd recommend 2013 - some of the new features are worth it. See the Jolt awards in Insider News today for details.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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Y U no go for eclipse?
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[ ^]
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I'm doing .net stuff, so VS.
As for e*, that can go spend eternity stuffed up Ms H's whatsit! Worse that netbeans, which is saying something.
speramus in juniperus
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I vote for 2013
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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I'm actually just considering this question myself... I'll be updating from VS2008. With their new development cycle, it's going to be hard to keep up with their releases (seem to remember some indication that they were pushing for one release per year).
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2013 for code 2010 for test, alm
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"...it all went down hill after VS 6.0" This brought back such nice memories!
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For example SQL Server Compact Edition support is gone in 2013 so be careful with legacy projects.
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I bet there's a joke in there about vintage and whether VS has legs or an oakey finish, but I'm too tired to come up with it.
Probably already in the thread anyway, I didn't read all the responses.
To answer Nagy's question, I'm on 2010, so can't give an opinion about 12 vs 13.
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Wait until 2014, because, you know, 2013 is so last year... 
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2013 has a lot of features that help my productivity, but it takes more of an ubermachine to run than 2012.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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For my own development I've stayed with VS2008. I use 2010 at the office but that's as far as I've gone with it. VS2008 Standard with Active Reports 6 and the Sandcastle help builder makes a dynamite development environment. I put a little under $1000 into those things a few years back and I have not run into any glass ceilings or anything that make me even remotely interested in an upgrade.
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Yes there is an update in the .net for VS2013 to confirm that post I like 2012 and 2013 the intellisense in C++ for myself I suppose that's preference though and the snippets features are improved also I use the snippets designer to add them I suppose you could just manipulate the XML yourself Microsoft explains the method on developer site. All in all there are more features to choose from but I'm still not sold that 2013 is that much better. I'm sure I'll discover more features and decide it is but either of them are improvement over 2010.
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Havn't tried m or VS2013 - they don't work on XP and VS2010 is really crap in terms of performance. No difference between 2008 and 2010 on a fast laptop but try a netbook and you will really see the difference. 2008 starts in 15s: 2010 takes 2 minutes! i.e. as long as eclipse! I'll stick to 2008 for now even though it doesn't do C++11.
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"The Charge of the Light Brigade?"(11,4)&Lit
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Electricity bill
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Movie Quote Of The Day
A: Excuse me bro', but who the f*** are you?
B: I'm the one tellin' you how it is..
Which movie?
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