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"Uh, no, Abe. Last time you had it as, 'you can fool all of the people all of the time'."
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RIP Professor Proton.![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Back in the mid-70s there was a large computer conference held in Halifax, and most of our office attended. One session featured a presentation by Grace Hopper, who was still active in the U.S. Navy. Due to the number of attendees, the session was held in a movie theater. As a warmup, they showed one of Newhart's classic telephone routines, this time the one with Herman Hollerith, which was quite appropriate. The audience was in stitches throughout the routine, as he poked fun at our profession, and our use of those iconic cards.
When I heard of his death last night, I found the routine on-line, and watched it again. Fond memories for sure.
And yes, that final scene with Suzanne Pleshette at the end of Newhart is an absolute classic. RIP, Bob.
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I'd forgot about his phone skits and found an old one, the Sir Walter Raleigh one.
A machine with electric fingers...too funny!
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I recall that in the 80s, Dr. Demento would play the driving inspector skit.
I have a Bob Newhart album, unsure what's on it.
In the first episode of Mrs. Maisel, Joel does one of Bob's routines.
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Used to listen to Dr. Demento occasionally. Strange guy.
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I recently came upon two books:
1. The Staff Engineer's Path[^] by Tanya Reilly
2. The Manager's Path[^] by Camille Fournier
The TLDR;
* Read The Manager's Path
* Do not even consider The Staff Engineer's Path. It's terrible.
Longer Explanation
Since I am primarily a Software Developer I started listening to the first one (the staff engineer's path) as an audio book.
As I got into the book I discovered that this author actually wrote this book inspired by The Manager's Path.
But as I got just a bit into the material I found it terrible!!
Sooooooo boring... Absolutely terrible!
And, each time the author explained how software dev and business works I thought, "no I've never seen it work that way in 33 years. Nope! Not right."
No actionable material. Just droning on. Only made it half-way thru. Oy! Ugh! 🤮
Yet I persisted. I decided, "ok, I'll take a run at The Manager's Path so I can at least make fun of it."
But, wow!
The Manager's Path Summary
The Manger's Path is all of the things that every one of the managers you've ever had __say__ that they want to do, but end up never doing.
The Manager's Path contains actionable plans that could be used to transform a Team or a Company.
This book is amazing!
The Caveat!
But, there's one caveat I have to it: Beware! You may learn the way things _should_ be done and become (more) bitter about managers and companies (if that is possible). 
But, wow, so many great ideas in this book. And so many great explanations of how things should be done.
modified 18-Jul-24 12:41pm.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: there are a lot of people in it just for the money who should've never been in the industry to begin with.
So true!
Jeremy Falcon wrote: it's usually the people with the biggest egos that perform the worst at their jobs.
Yeah, generally, they are completely unaware of the people around them, because they can't see past their own egos. Very sad, as they cause so much unnecessary pain and suffering.
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People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence.
No point in bitching about this because it applies universally, including to oneself; and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
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Not true and sometimes true. Most people are just under proficient for their role. Which is another word for incompetence. Some learn on the job to at least do their role and some move on.
Also, gonna point out the irony dude... you're bitching about not bitching. Look inward. 
haughtonomous wrote: and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
You're projecting. Not everyone wants that. A famous example being Woz.
Jeremy Falcon
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I never thought about being promoted, I stayed a firmware engineer my whole career (just love the low level stuff). If you gave me cool projects to work on I was happy.
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I spent my whole career working hard to stay at the bottom of the corporate ladder.
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haughtonomous wrote: People are generally promoted until they reach their own level of incompetence.
I thought that was part of the Dilbert Principle. I have the book. It's been years I've read it, but that's pretty much what I remember of it.
haughtonomous wrote: and we all want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get.
Broad sweeping statements such as this are absolutely and unequivocally untrue, and I don't even know how one might even make that suggestion. What motivates people is different amongst different people.
Even before I started my career as a software developer, I knew the day I'd be promoted to any sort of management position would be the day I'd quit my job, changed fields or retired, no ifs or buts about it.
That holds truer than ever as I'm getting closer and closer to retirement age.
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It is actually the Peter principle: Quote: "Employees are promoted according to their current progress rather than the required skills and aptitude"
. Dr. Laurence Peter described it in his 1969 book "The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong".The Peter Principle: Why Things Always Go Wrong. The principle has been summarized as "Employees rise to their level of incompetence" or "Once you learn your current job really well, we'll promote you to a job you will need to learn". He bemoans the fact that most employers do not provide the training needed to make the employee competent at the new job.
Things have changed, though, since 1969. Most employers are now reluctant to provide training for any employee.
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Member 15049334 wrote: reluctant to provide training for any employee.
Now they charge employees for training when they leave.
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Member 15049334 wrote: It is actually the Peter principle:
Right. The original that Scott Adams satirizes (satires?)
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haughtonomous wrote: want to be promoted to as high up the ladder as we can get
Anyone with that attitude should be fired immediately.
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Oh, wow. I am definitely going to check that book out.
That's what I actually believe about Leadership. It's actually about serving people -- so they can bring their best selves to do the work. Few actually believe this, fewer still who are managers.
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Leadership and management are two distinct and different skills. Only a very few exhibit both in equal measure.
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So you're that guy? You make up stuff I never said to reply against? I never said otherwise dude.
Jeremy Falcon
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I didn't say you did. I was making an observation, that's all.
Maybe you need to consider that opinions that differ from yours are just as valid?
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Maybe you need to learn how to interact with humans.
Jeremy Falcon
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