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You just might also reach terminal velocity if you skip ironing 
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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OriginalGriff wrote: "I hate ironing".
It might seam like a flat-out lie, button other occasions I'm sure you expressed similar feelings (cuff, cuff, at-you).
Per terminal velocity: I won't fall for that !
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I don't mind ironing, which is lucky as after my wife had an accident and ended up having her right wrist fused around 10 years ago I have to do all of it around here.
Mate of mine finds it really relaxing. He works away during the week, and when home likes to spend Saturday morning doing some ironing and watching sport. If there is no ironing to do he cannot fully relax that weekend.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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OriginalGriff wrote: "I hate ironing".
I'm a man of few needs, but ever since I started working, I outsourced housekeeping and laundry. It's the only way I can write code 24 hours a day.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: m a man of few needs, but ever since I started working, I outsourced housekeeping and laundry.
General housework I don't mind, use it as a break to think away from the keyboard with one very conscious exception: ironing.
Since I started working for myself anything that needed ironing was outed to the Sallies (including a few shirts still in the wrappers).
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To you - and the others -
Here in the states we have an absolute miracle. It's called "Permanent Press".
And damn, it goes through the wash and dry and is ready to wear! Even when the press finally starts to wear out, compared to sending the clothes out for ironing you've saved enough for a big new monitor, extra DRAM, even enough to buy a few more shirts.
You got to check this out! It's amazing!
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I don't like the feel of permanent press fabric against my skin.  All my shirts are 100% cotton.
/ravi
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Well - a cotton undershirt should take care of most of that, no?
Oh wait - I just thought of another option for you to consider: Body Paint !*
* if you try the body paint, I cannot stress enough how important it is that you do not iron it!
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TMI: I do wear cotton underclothes (that I launder myself).
/ravi
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stty -F /dev/tty01 38400
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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My pickets being picked[^]
Well - I can always hope it'll be compensated for with the lower prices for wheat and soybeans and stuff. Oh, wait - billions were spent to prop up the farmers - so that's where that money will go.
Well - I guess it's just your typical GOP tax hike on the middle class. "Nothing to see here".
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While I agree good Sir, may I please suggest that you consider the Soap Box.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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I intended the Soapbox - forgot to change screens.
If anyone can move it to where it belongs it would be nice.
AND, come to think of it - would that not be a decent capability for a user for their own posts (or is it already there and I don't know about it).
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And all those taxes don't even give you free healthcare or education 
I guess those are the perks of having a president who cares more about his ego than his people.
At least he runs the country like his businesses, into the ground with no one on his mind but himself.
So anyway, this is kind of Soapbox material so I'll leave it at that.
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Sander Rossel wrote: So anyway, this is kind of Soapbox material so I'll leave it at that.
Per my reply, above, the Soapbox was my intent.
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Yeah you should really take that to the soapbox
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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These happen once in a while - do you agree that the OP should be able to fix their own post's location (even if limited to Lounge->Soapbox) ? I put in bugs and suggestion - there could be good reasons it's not available even with the limited scope.
I could delete the thread but it's remained pretty civil, so far; also, there are enough posts that I don't want to blow them away if there's an option.
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"Quote: And all those taxes don't even give you free healthcare or education Big Grin |
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Sander you tend to have some wit about you, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping you are being sarcastic. I'll grant you intelligence so please identify free healthcare or education ANYWHERE on this planet.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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That's the nicest "I disagree" I've ever seen 
So let's start off by saying they're never free because you pay taxes, which pays (part of) your school or medical bill.
That said, when you look at what these things cost after taxes, the USA is one the most expensive "developed" countries by far.
When looking at Here's what college costs in 28 countries around the world - INSIDER[^] you can see that college is free in Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden and Turkey.
In the Netherlands you get money from the government to pay for tuition and housing and on top of that college is heavily funded.
I'm not sure how it is now, but when I went to college the money you got was gifted if you finished in four or five years.
This used to be different, but we got some people who went to college for a long time, like ten years, and kept getting all those benefits.
According to that list, the average tuition per year is $2.420 in the Netherlands, which sounds about right (I can't really say if that's incl. or excl. the money students get from the government).
Personally, I paid around €1.600 in tuition and I had to pay for books, but I got a good €90 a month (which is low because I lived at home and my parents had a decent salary, my girlfriend at the time got over €400).
Even the USA's arch nemesis, Mexico, does very well with only $527 a year.
Compare that to the USA, $8.202 a year, which nets 14% of students a student debt of $50.000 or higher.
I don't know of any countries that have free healthcare, but I do know that when I get cancer I won't have to worry about the costs.
That's not what most Americans can say, or so I've heard: How does health spending in the U.S. compare to other countries? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker[^].
Healthcare in the USA is almost twice as expensive as in Europe, but not better nor used more frequently.
Look up other lists and they'll show comparative figures.
The catch, because there's always a catch, is that I ALWAYS pay for healthcare even if I don't use it.
That's because health insurance is mandatory and it costs me around €70 a month, which is pretty cheap (I have the highest own risk, which means I pay €800 when I need treatment, instead of €350, which is the lowest own risk).
I'm also not insured for everything, like psychiatric help, so if I ever need a psychiatrist, the bills could still add up, although not as much as in the USA.
I believe insurance is not mandatory in the USA, but even the most basic insurance is a multitude of what we pay in Europe.
So what I probably meant to say was "All those taxes and you're still crippled by student or healthcare debt "
At least you can still buy a gun to end it all if such a bill ever presents itself.
Which is part sarcasm and, as the numbers show, part truth.
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Ha, okay, I have arguments with people all the time about "free" stuff from the government, then I pay my taxes. Like I said, I doubted you really meant free.
Addressing the college cost topic, it was my understanding that in Europe college was "free" as long as you could qualify. Not every Tom, Dick, or Harriet gets to go to college - true or false? What I've been told is that some are directed to trade schools.
Let me know on my question. As with any comparison, apples to apples. I think the education (and the healthcare) systems are so sufficiently different that making comparisons on cost basis alone is dubious.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Not everyone can get into University over here, at least in the Netherlands.
After primary school people go to secondary school where students are divided by smartness (or willingness to learn).
There's basically three levels (where the lowest level has another subdivision) which take a total of four, five or six years to complete (from lowest to highest level).
Depending on your level on secondary school you go to University (highest level), high school* (mid level), or a secondary vocational education (I'd say lowest level, but these guys do things I can't do, like fix my car or my house).
It is possible to climb up, of course, but you'll have to do an extra year and often some exam before getting in.
Still, plenty of people do that.
University isn't some elitist institution.
* Our high school isn't the same as yours, which is our secondary school.
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I think there-in lies the problem. The general conception over here is that without a "college" education, there is no way to survive. I am certain the guy that pumps my septic tank makes more money than I do (as a business), and he has far less stress. Everyone is always happy to see him
So the system over there is self regulating to an extent. In the US, about the only thing you need to get into college is money. The grade inflation in our high schools (ages 14-18) is out of control and the rot has spread into the college system. So, in effect, the US does have somewhat of a "free" education system - free money that you'll probably never pay back, but there are no restrictions as to who gets it. As a result, you have people borrowing 100K for a degree that will never pay them back.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Quote: The tax man's taken all my dough
And left me in my stately home
Lazing on a sunny afternoon
And I can't sail my yacht
He's taken everything I got
All I've got's this sunny afternoon
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Quote: Taxman
The Beatles
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Don't ask me what I want it for
(Ah ah, Mr. Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more
(Ah ah, Mr. Heath)
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
Now my advice for those who die (taxman!)
Declare the pennies on your eyes (taxman!)
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me (taxman!)
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Good one
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