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...or any part of it. If I ever see another line of PHP it will be too soon! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I feel ya.. I took a side job doing Angular and pretty much committed myself before I realized all the backend was PHP. It's Larevel PHP Framework so it is somewhat not as terrible as coding straight PHP but it still sucks. But the the money they are paying me for 3 days a week there is keeping doing it. Code is code is code is code. I wouldn't turn down a job/contract if the price is right no matter what language. I'll do GW-BASIC, COBOL, or Fortran if it's good enough money 
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If a sloppy, unstructured, loosely-typed, heap of garbage counts as a language, then there is definitely one which I'd run a long, long way to avoid.
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PeejayAdams wrote: If a sloppy, unstructured, loosely-typed, heap of garbage counts as a language, then there is definitely one which I'd run a long, long way to avoid.
So that's VB out then... 
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Yes, I hate VB, too - just not quite with the same level of passion with which I hate Javascript.
Any language that uses "Dim" as a keyword is inherently self-descriptive.
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VB is a hell of a lot better than JavaScript. I am assuming VB.Net and not VB6. I have to admit that VBA now really irritates me. It should have been updated years ago to something similar to VB.Net instead of being so different. It now is pretty much a very different language from VB.Net. I believe there is a need for a scripting language in Word, Excel, etc.
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I'd agree, something is needed - but it should be C# based, not VB to prevent people assuming it's anything like the awfulness that was VBA. And it needs to be designed from the ground up to be safe and secure ... so it'll never happen.
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Nothing against going to C#, and you have good justification. And yes it needs to have the security issues fix such that there are different levels, and the code is checked to make sure that it does not exceed whatever level is chosen.
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I am also not a big fan of javascript, but its latest edition called "EMCAScript 5.0" has a lot modern and powerful features and also some class features. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
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Those "class" features are just syntactic sugar for people that couldn't understand prototype-based inheritance.
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I never understood why JavaScript became the standard for web programming. You would think that any language that looks so much like C, C++, C#, and Java would be similar but it is a very different beast. If you were going to create a language for the web, it should avoid use of symbols that are important in the syntax of HTML. Use something like Powershell .GT and .LT instead of > and <, and things like that. That way can copy and paste without the issues in and out of HTML code.
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Just work skillfully.
If one considers the major use for javascript, which is web-pages, it really makes sense that the symbols are untyped and can be rendered automatically as text. It took some getting used to, without a doubt, but it does make the real targeted task ever so much easier. PHP caters to this, and no doubt, for the very same reason.
So - consider you have a language who's primary (and by far, dominant) usage is to render text (as in web-pages) - then the 'suck-it-up' can be exchanged for the convenient in accomplishing the task.
With the above considerations in mind, if I fault them anything, it is that they are so similar, often on the same pages (initially) and that took extra getting-used-to. They're heavily used because, like it or not, they're the right tool for the job.
* object types, in either, language are the obvious exceptions
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JavaScript is the language I would fight very hard to avoid. It really is a piece o' sh*t, the latest ECMAScript improvements notwithstanding.
In general, I would also fight hard to avoid large, complex languages like C++, C#, Swift, and Scala.
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Brainf*ck for example.
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??? Too Late ???
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Two things:
- Since it's a real subject in Wikipedia, you shouldn't have to use the asterisk.
- Wow - that looks like ever so much fun.
Further down the article, they note the "Bodyf^ck" language, which is for gesturing. That's one of the best and honest descriptions for gesturing languages I've seen.
(I changed to the '^' to avoid ruffling too many feathers)
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Since it's a real subject in Wikipedia, you shouldn't have to use the asterisk.
True, but it's kinda a habit outside the Soapbox...
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Every esoteric language, for that matter. Maybe the first couple were funny but surely the joke got worn out a long, long time ago.
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There are a couple I would absolutely refuse to use, some I would fight hard not to use and some I would avoid if possible - the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The question is posed as an "Is there a..." so the answer would be yes, since it exists at least one that you would absolutely refuse to use.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
+1.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
Don't worry. The internet is just a fad. It will pass soon.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Ignoring the sarcasm, that would of course be yet another argument for not touching that stuff until the worst junk has been weeded out. Unfortunately that has not happened yet. They still get even crazier and seem to think that it has to be such a miserable experience, otherwise it's not real web programming.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
I really do understand that. Especially for those of us who started out as desktop devs.
There were so many years of becoming strongly involved with desktop before web was much of a thing at all.
I'm guessing that you were a desktop dev before the web really took off. And that means even if you started around 2000. Now the whole thing is all web centric.
Anyways, I agree with your sentiment whole-heartedly.
However, I am truly amazed with the new ASP.NET Core stuff. It feels like one solid framework / dev environment which you add things as you need them.
I wrote an article on it here at CP[^] (and that's not why I'm writing this) and I think Microsoft has a solid deal there if they can continue to support it. It's more elegant than any of the other full-stack solutions out there -- IMHO.
Check it out.
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