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W∴ Balboos wrote: Since it's a real subject in Wikipedia, you shouldn't have to use the asterisk.
True, but it's kinda a habit outside the Soapbox...
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Every esoteric language, for that matter. Maybe the first couple were funny but surely the joke got worn out a long, long time ago.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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There are a couple I would absolutely refuse to use, some I would fight hard not to use and some I would avoid if possible - the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The question is posed as an "Is there a..." so the answer would be yes, since it exists at least one that you would absolutely refuse to use.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
+1.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
Don't worry. The internet is just a fad. It will pass soon.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Ignoring the sarcasm, that would of course be yet another argument for not touching that stuff until the worst junk has been weeded out. Unfortunately that has not happened yet. They still get even crazier and seem to think that it has to be such a miserable experience, otherwise it's not real web programming.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: the entire f***ing web stack falls into the last category.
I really do understand that. Especially for those of us who started out as desktop devs.
There were so many years of becoming strongly involved with desktop before web was much of a thing at all.
I'm guessing that you were a desktop dev before the web really took off. And that means even if you started around 2000. Now the whole thing is all web centric.
Anyways, I agree with your sentiment whole-heartedly.
However, I am truly amazed with the new ASP.NET Core stuff. It feels like one solid framework / dev environment which you add things as you need them.
I wrote an article on it here at CP[^] (and that's not why I'm writing this) and I think Microsoft has a solid deal there if they can continue to support it. It's more elegant than any of the other full-stack solutions out there -- IMHO.
Check it out.
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raddevus wrote: And that means even if you started around 2000
Missed by more than a decade so yes I'm well steeped in desktop development, I've only rarely ventured into the web development arena until Silverlight gave us a great single development platform.
I'll be interested in your article as I expect to have to take the blasted web on board shortly.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The only one I've encountered that I refuse to use is Perl. There are lots I prefer to avoid.
Kevin
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Marc Clifton: 0. I will work not work with Ruby or other duck-typed, runtime-typed, or "script kiddie" languages;
[...]
8. I will not waste my valuable time learning some half-ass open source latest rage just because every other idiot says it's the latest rage;
I also quoted it in my bio, just to drive the point home.
Bonus point (not languages but methodologies):
Marc Clifton: 7. I will write code using my own well thought out architecture, not some fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants Agile methodology bullsh*t;
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Who, me? 
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Yes, definitely  . You're one of the people in this forum I keep in the highest esteem. Solid logic, facts and pragmatism... much better than the marketers' paradise programming has become in the last decades.
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den2k88 wrote: Bonus point (not languages but methodologies):Marc Clifton: 7. I will write code using my own well thought out architecture, not some fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants Agile methodology bullsh*t;
I've heard this put in more general terms: 'If you don't have the time to do it right the first time, how will you find the time to do it again?'
(In this case, Agile's eternally unanswered question)
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... would you ask this question and destroy the bliss? are you asking for trouble?
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