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Which is why I put "agile" in quotes, and my parenthetic comments made this pretty clear too. Thanks for taking time to point out the obvious though 
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Jeremy Falcon
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"agile"
as a practitioner (willing or not) is that considered an oxymoron, irony, or both?
OTOH: when you work for yourself "agile," as per the proper definition, becomes a way of life (100% without meetings ....)
Sin tack
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Everything in agile is badly named.
"Agile" - great, you mean we get the work done only quicker? Ok guys we're going agile! Here's the go-live date, don't write any code until it's all documented first, we don't have time to test things and we'll let technical debt build up because we will put no insentiveves in place to get things "done". Wow, I love this agile stuff...better quality faster and all we need to do is have a 5 minute meeting in the morning!
"Velocity" - great, that must be an absolute metric of performance. Right, how can we increase velocity? Let's forget about quality and working software being the measure of success, I want velocity to be the measure of success because more velocity means more better, right?
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That's a great example of what I'm talking about. In my experience few people actually do Agile. We just have a stand-up. And use the new shiny buzzword called Agile to sound smart. Boom... buzz buzz buzz word. Yay, we're smart now, let's go home.
I do have to agree though that has more to do with management than the methodology itself. Although, having a bit of experience in that myself, I can safely say sometimes a manager isn't given the time to implement something correctly in this now now now world we live in. And so the cycle continues.
Jeremy Falcon
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I think it's great, while the young ones are stuck in their mobile phone world I prefer getting into the real world - there's still some beautiful sights out there that are far better in real life than on a 4" screen in your hand - and if there's no young jerks out there spoiling it all the better.
Sure I still use tech for work, and it helps fill some evenings (seeing as TV has 100% gone to sh*t except of course when good sports are on) but any chance to leave tech behind for a while is always worth taking. Still haven't turned on my mobile data back on since coming back from a weekend away some while ago. (Coz when I'm roaming, the data isn't invited along - even if it's just across the road for a coffee.)
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Some of the brightest coworkers I've met have also realized this. Tech is our future, but too much of it can be destructive. We're still people and not machines. So a healthy balance must be found. Totally agree with most TV programming by the way. Maybe we're just getting old, but still I have to wonder what programming will be like a 1,000 years from now. Maybe we'll just skip the whole TV process and start giving people lethargy shots directly. So we can expedite the process of doing nothing.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: still I have to wonder what programming will be like a 1,000 years from now
It'll all be done by AI and tech will be implanted in everyone so you can never escape.
Of course the cheapskates on free microsoft implants will spend 58 minutes of every hour frozen in place while updates are installed and 'telemetry' is sucked out of them as adverts are played
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Oh by that I meant TV programming. I suspect it'll be something like 99% ads and 1% content.
Jeremy Falcon
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I have a TV-device but no antenna / internet plugged in. I just see a good film with my wife when we have time for it (actually not so often).
I don't even have data in my smart phone. I am still using an iPhone 4S (it was my old corporate cell at previous job and I was allowed to take it when leaving). Additional apps reduced to offline Navigator, a better calendar, whatsapp (I don't really like it, but is the only way to keep in touch with many of my friends at my birth place) and a couple of things more...
(I have even been target of some jokes like "your phone had to be in museum", "being without data is like living in prehistory" and things like that)
I hate too crowded places when doing vacations and I don't understand the people who is just running to reach a place, makes a selfie and then start running again to take the next selfie in other place... Where did the pleasure for a "stroll?" (slow walk, just chilling and having a look around you) go? People is stressed even in spare time... take a deep breath and chill out, man...
And I am younger than many would tell reading my rant... I suppose I am "old fashioned" in this topic
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Well said.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You don't really see that type of passion in most industries.
Actually, I do. I know doctors and nurses that are incredibly passionate about their work. I play poker with guys that run their own construction companies, write editorials for news journals, work for drug companies, etc., and they all love their work. I know a lawyer that is passionate about their work in legal representation for women. They are all involved in "creating", whether it's a deck, an informative article, better medicine, better human conditions.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: As a whole, we're changing the planet.
With little ethics applied to those changes.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: So has anyone else found themselves jaded for a period while the industry finds itself, yet to only realize that as people we are right where we are meant to be?
Yes, but then again, the industry is always finding itself, and whatever flash in the pan it finds itself in at the moment is often not one that I'm eager to partake in. That was the case when I was in my 20's, and is so in my 50's now as well. Actually, tech has itself made the flash-in-the-pan effect worse.
I don't know if I would go so far as to say we are right where we are meant to be. Literally where am I sitting right now (cubicle, insurance company) there are people around me that are doing what they are doing for the paycheck and nothing more. It's frustrating to be mostly surrounded by people that have passion only for the paycheck.
Personally, having gone through a soul searching process a few years back, I came to various conclusions that work for me:
- I'm better off if I ignore the industry, do what I'm passionate about doing, and look at the industry for "has it done anything useful that I can take advantage of?"
- balance that with the reality that sometimes I have to do something I have no passion for because, yes, I need the paycheck too.
- balance that with recognizing that the tech is irrelevant, and what I have passion for and what makes life worthwhile is the interactions with the people. Real interactions, not IM's, emails, Slack chats, etc. Interacting with tech ultimately is a rather hollow experience.
- balance my enthusiasm for hollow tech by writing articles to touch people's lives. Thank goodness for tech so that I can do that!
And the whole thing is balanced by doing non-tech things, from learning to play the lyre to hanging out in coffee houses for interesting random encounters with people to having a spiritual life that involves going to study groups and reading together with my gf.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Actually, I do. I know doctors and nurses that are incredibly passionate about their work. I play poker with guys that run their own construction companies, write editorials for news journals, work for drug companies, etc., and they all love their work. I know a lawyer that is passionate about their work in legal representation for women. They are all involved in "creating", whether it's a deck, an informative article, better medicine, better human conditions.
Marc, why are you trying to ruin my points with reason and logic? 
Marc Clifton wrote: Yes, but then again, the industry is always finding itself, and whatever flash in the pan it finds itself in at the moment is often not one that I'm eager to partake in. That was the case when I was in my 20's, and is so in my 50's now as well. Actually, tech has itself made the flash-in-the-pan effect worse.
I went through that same phase. I'm still going through it. Current industry in any field has done more to dehumanize us than anything I can think of. People aren't aware of their instincts or senses anymore. It's like we're turning into machines that barely think under the illusion we think because we are in our heads. Which isn't always really thinking. Not to sound doom and gloom, but something should be done to change this. We're still humans - for now.
Marc Clifton wrote: I don't know if I would go so far as to say we are right where we are meant to be. Literally where am I sitting right now (cubicle, insurance company) there are people around me that are doing what they are doing for the paycheck and nothing more. It's frustrating to be mostly surrounded by people that have passion only for the paycheck.
But we are man. We're always where we are meant to be. Every choice we've made in life put us exactly where we are. And our choices dictate exactly where we are meant to be. Once that's accepted it's pretty liberating actually. Because we can always choose something else.
Marc Clifton wrote: Personally, having gone through a soul searching process a few years back
That's part of the wisdom that comes with introspection and aging and seeing and experiencing more of life I believe. Glad you did it man.
Marc Clifton wrote: I'm better off if I ignore the industry, do what I'm passionate about doing, and look at the industry for "has it done anything useful that I can take advantage of?"balance that with the reality that sometimes I have to do something I have no passion for because, yes, I need the paycheck too.balance that with recognizing that the tech is irrelevant, and what I have passion for and what makes life worthwhile is the interactions with the people. Real interactions, not IM's, emails, Slack chats, etc. Interacting with tech ultimately is a rather hollow experience.balance my enthusiasm for hollow tech by writing articles to touch people's lives. Thank goodness for tech so that I can do that!
I totally agree with what you've found out. For this reason I do not nor will I ever really like FB, etc. The key to remember is that we as a people still have control over where tech is headed. And so while I absolutely agree with you 100% on this, I'd like to think we can still have some influence on the direction of tech to ensure humanity stays in the picture of technology. And hey, CP is glad you're all about number 4.
You're right on the money though. I worked in the hospice industry. When people are on their deathbeds, the only regrets people have are not doing what they really wanted to do and if they had poor relationships. It's all about connections man. It's why we're here on this planet. Real ones. It's smart that you've realized that. I just submit we can still do something about it before we turn into robots completely.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Current industry in any field has done more to dehumanize us than anything I can think of.
It isn't industry. It is the prevailing beliefs of the people. They think that technology is our only salvation, so they bow to that god. If you can change their beliefs, you will change the world. But one of the major beliefs you must contend with is that things can't be changed! 
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David O'Neil wrote: It isn't industry. It is the prevailing beliefs of the people.
Oddly enough I just got done reading this very sentiment in another post. Which I agree. I reckon it's more apparent in technology to people in technology, but that doesn't mean it's exclusive to technology.
David O'Neil wrote: But one of the major beliefs you must contend with is that things can't be changed!
Tru dat.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Every choice we've made in life put us exactly where we are. And our choices dictate exactly where we are meant to be.
I wonder about that (the difference between where we are and where we are meant to be) given that choice is not exactly as free as one would want -- family history, psychological problems, misinformation, etc.
This reminds me of something I read a while back by a biblical scholar of sorts, that the phrase Jesus uses in the Bible, "sin no more", is a directive to return to one's true purpose in life. For me that raises the complex question of knowing what my true purpose is, and going down that path (pun intended) brings up the question of how do I know that the choices I'm making are in accordance with my purpose -- in other words "exactly where I am meant to be."
I guess there are some questions one is meant to simply live with and be conscious of, and do one's best.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: I wonder about that (the difference between where we are and where we are meant to be) given that choice is not exactly as free as one would want -- family history, psychological problems, misinformation, etc.
But choice is free. I too grew up in a family of narcissistic liars that borderline on the psychology abusive. Went through the whole clingy and suicidal phase for it too. But the choice is ours. It always is. We cannot control what happens to us, where we are born, etc. But we can control how we respond to it. We've always had that power. And it's liberating actually since if we know it's of our own choosing we can choose differently.
So, we're always right we we're supposed to be. We chose it. I'm almost 40 and only recently have I decided to give up on my family. So I'm speaking from experience. But I did choose where my life is, right now. We all do.
Marc Clifton wrote: I guess there are some questions one is meant to simply live with and be conscious of, and do one's best.
I think about this stuff all the time too man. Like a lot. I did hear something I need to keep hearing over and over again. Basically, God's gift to us is our talents. Our gift to God is to use them and don't let it go to waste. And so our purpose in life is to live it to the fullest with your God-given talents. Otherwise we spit in the face of God. Makes sense too. If we give our kids something and they squander it we'd be thinking "wtf bro."
I'm willing to bet you any amount of money that deep down you already know what you're good at. Nobody else can do something quite like Marc Clifton can. There's your purpose dude. There's something deep down inside you that you want... that's God talking man. And after 40 years of life I'm finally learning this for myself... God's reward to us is in the form of feelings. God is energy. Feelings are energy. If you feel awesome more times than not then you're on the right path. If you feel like crap a lot then you're own the wrong path.
Yeah, only took 40 years to figure that out. Welcome to the wonderful world of overthinking.
Jeremy Falcon
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It seems like Marc has written most of my post already, much better than what I could've done. Just like with code. 
Anyway, in my experience it isn't what you do that is the problem, it's who you do it with/for. I suspect you would be better off swapping employer.
I did that a year and a bit ago, it is one of the best things I've done.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Anyway, in my experience it isn't what you do that is the problem, it's who you do it with/for.
Slowly but surely I'm starting to realize this too. I know when I've hired people I cared much less about things like degrees than way more about personality and desire to do good work. I believe knowing tech tidbit that anyone can Google is even secondary to that.
Jörgen Andersson wrote: I suspect you would be better off swapping employer.
Funny you should mention that. It's exactly what I'm doing. Yay.
Jörgen Andersson wrote: I did that a year and a bit ago, it is one of the best things I've done.
Glad it worked out for you man. That's awesome.
Jeremy Falcon
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They do the hiring the same way as you did, except that they only demand good enough work. Knowing that with the right people they get good work done.
My manager learned how to manage at Deloitte&Touche, using the assumption that everything they did was wrong.
My boss might be the smartest person I ever met. He always understand what I'm talking about technically. (yes, that have to be considered rare for bosses in my experience).
Never bullshits, never takes bullshit. I've seen him walk out of a meeting with a customer that he couldn't stand. Respect.
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He sounds like a great guy man. It's like any relationship, great ones improve the quality of your life. Bad ones make it worse. I love the no BS attitude as well man. Glad you you're in a great spot.
Jeremy Falcon
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I think I need a rocking chair and pipe to answer this one.
I've actually gone through and out the other side of the jadedness. Dave and I talk about it often: a new tech or trend or method or design or way of making coffee comes up and you scratch the surface a little and go "oh yeah - that's like that thing they were doing in '98, but with a bigger font".
However, the thing this brings me is pure joy when I see something being done now that was impossible when I started. A dancing Optimus Prime rendered via raytracing[^], or even just basic web applications with beautiful, smooth animations, responsive, intuitive, intelligent. And running on my phone. In fact CodeProject is old enough that we still have code in use that was written to get around the limitations we faced, but which needs to be removed because it's actually holding things back.
Technology - and most importantly the creative side of technology - has come so far and has enabled development to go from being creative in the mathematical sense (ie the true sense ) to creative in the artistic sense. It's this that (to me) is what is bringing in a wider array of talents and ideas.
I do feel, however, that we're living at the end of an age. Full AI will be here sooner than we like, and we are totally, hopelessly unprepared.
#goshdernit.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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