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OriginalGriff wrote: Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS
OriginalGriff wrote: What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile,
Or, if they'd just done a "responsive" UI that knew you were running a desktop and didn't want the Mobile features then that even would've helped a lot. However, I believe they wanted to force people to the new UX because they knew there would be people who would never change and that would force them to to do more work in perpetuity.
Also, they know, "Hey, if we anger most of the people most of the time, there will still be some of the people who aren't angered. And, not all of the people are angered all the time."
It's a win! 
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Well, maybe.
But what they ended up with is a mobile OS that is too big, too slow, too greedy: the Wookie tab is dual boot Win 10 & Android. The whole Android OS and data partition is 5GB - Win 10 alone is 20GB and runs noticeably slower than Android on the same hardware. Bear in mind that Android will run happily in 1 GB of RAM and Win 10 ... well let's be charitable and say it will walk in 1 GB ...
And that's the whole problem: it's not a desktop OS any more, but it's not a mobile OS either. I'm not sure what it is, but that's probably a lot of why most users just don't like it. If it can't decide what it wants to be, how are users supposed to to? 
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Great points! Very interesting.
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raddevus wrote: Or, if they'd just done a "responsive" UI that knew you were running a desktop
Or even one more step further: How about a UI that knows what kind of a system it's running on and adapts automatically, including control size and layout.
raddevus wrote: they wanted to force people to the new UX
The whole misery started before Vista, with Longhorn. They were desperately looking for something to replace the even then already aging Win32 API. Now it's more than 10 years later and they still have not accomplished anything except trying everybody's patience. The only accepted OS since XP was Win 7, which they needed quickly and there was no time to try some grand new ideas. They will never learn.
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CDP1802 wrote: They will never learn
Yeah, for a long time I could see that Microsoft was two companies.
1. The Suits
2. The Engineers
There was a time when they were doing absolutely nothing. Just sitting around watching the smart phone / pad market grow. I learned that Microsoft had a patent where they get something like $8 from every Android device created. So they ended up making more from the licensing* than they made entirely from Vista -- but with no overhead!!!
At that point the suits had almost entirely taken over.
Engineering was doing nothing. I do think Nadella has made Microsoft remember that it is a company that creates something. But I believe they probably lost a lot of good engineers in that time.
* One of the many articles about this from back in '13 : Microsoft is making $2bn a year on Android licensing - five times more than Windows Phone | ZDNet[^]
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OriginalGriff wrote: MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles
What you're describing here is Windows 8. They realized they took it too far, and took it down a notch with Windows 10. But it's still far from..."cured"...from that affliction.
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No, I don't think they did. They got another hammer, and nailed some of the Win 7 bits back on rather than listen to what people were saying and admitting a mistake.
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OriginalGriff wrote: rather than listen to what people were saying and admitting a mistake.
That is the root point.
I am aware that is impossible to satisfy every people, but hey... at least read the comments, analyze them as much objective as you can and do the best out of them. That would spare them and us (users) a lot of problems.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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modified 27-May-17 15:59pm.
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I wasn't implying Windows was "back to normal". There's still so much I'd rather see them undo.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority
Count me in. I've been on 10 for almost 2 years and consider it to be the best OS I've used to date. (now if I could just get a grip on the unattended restarts)
I've made a great career using MS technologies! I may complain occasionally, but acknowledge that overall these technologies (for the most part) have improved over the years while costing less or even becoming free.
Cornelius Henning wrote: all the complaints and whining about Microsoft and Windows that we see here on CP
This imho is all due to the number of devs using MS/Windows over other OS's...unless I'm to assume that the 'others' are so good and problem free that there's nothing to complain about. At any rate, it would make a great CP survey...primary OS for development?
I'd predict Windows at 85% or so but I'm just guessing. 
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I would be very interested in the results of the survey you suggest.
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kmoorevs wrote: I've made a great career using MS technologies! I may complain occasionally, but acknowledge that overall these technologies (for the most part) have improved over the years while costing less or even becoming free.
Me too!
/ravi
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Cornelius Henning wrote: Home users and hobbyists can get a totally free copy of Visual Studio 2017,
And Xamarin, to boot! 
/ravi
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That's a weird name for a cheese.
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Windows is still only a consumer-grade operating system.
The best operating system is OpenVMS -- but I don't use it for email and Web browsing.
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Quote: The best operating system is OpenVMS
Hmmmm. I must look into this.
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Some people here whine so much I think they are fermenting.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Whine - wine - ferment - I'm sure Griff can come up with some pun for TOTD using these! 
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To be pedantic what's called "microsoft windows" is not an OS,
the package delivered as "microsoft windows" (3.1 .. 10) is an OS with: a built-in window manager and internet browser to name just a couple of non OS items. Which is OK, if you could choose to replace or use another similar item - but with windows you cant. (not easily).
One of the advantages of unix and it's offspring is that it is just an OS with implementation dependant hardware drivers (and the ability to add more necessary hardware drivers.)
Don't like the look of the windows: you can choose another (and most are independently very configurable to very different looks, even how the mouse works and when windowed apps become active...),
don't like a particular internet browser: you can choose another without having baggage of something you are never going to use built in and loaded into memory.
don't like the console (shell) ..., don't like the control panel ...
It would be really nice if ms gave us an os without the non-os items so tightly bolted in.
Instead they are in fact going the opposite direction: now they are forcing the choice of browser so that it's difficult (and they are hinting soon to be impossible) to choose another even if you can live with non used crap loaded up.
How long before they take away the old style windows mode and force it to be full time in that ugly metro (or whatever it's going to be called tomorrow) mode? (Don't doubt me, that will come.)
windows is a good os, the non-alterable crap bolted on that's the killer.
Nobody complains say linux is ugly (difficult yes, but not ugly) because the interface, the look, the way it acts is full configurable to how you want it.
All an OS is and should be is a callable software interface to the hardware.
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the any key okay
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You are voicing the opinion of the silent majority, positive rarely gets a mention whereas negative bleats and howls all over the internet.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Now you got to be strong
Cornelius Henning wrote: I have had a few glitches since upgrading our home machines to 10, but in total I am very happy with it and will never go back to 7 or 8.1. I believe this is the opinion of the silent majority and "Microsoft Bashers" are just a noisy minority that doesn't have any real influence at all!
The same minority that did not like Vista, also the same that strangely left Win 7 alone and then rejected Win 8 again. See a pattern? For ten years Mickeysoft has treated us to one failure after another and, to answer your questions, don't want their stuff anymore even if it's 'free'. And, for my part, I'm sick and tired of investing time and money into yet another failure.
Win 10 is not a failure, you say? That's kindof old news.[^]
By the way, do you really think that that buggy memory hog is 'arguably the world's premier IDE'? Really? VS 2008 was the last I ever used and have been using a free alternative ever since. I'm missing one debugger feature, but that's all. No need to put up with Mickeysoft's bloatware, 'free' or not.
And you wanted to know why some people don't install the 'free' updates? Because you don't know these days what else they try to install without asking. You don't only get 'free' updates, you also get Mickeysoft's current agenda along with them. I'm sure they only want our best, which seems to be our money.
After 10 years of such desasters, I think they will not get it anymore. Mickysoft has jumped the shark and nuked the fridge years ago and will just get crazier every time they move on to their next failure. Just wait what happens when they finally drop Win 10 for the next 'it's the future!' grand idea they try to ram down our throats.
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Absolutely! I have been using Windows 10 and have no reason to revert back to Win7. Win10 together with Office365 offers some really unique features. I, for one, absolutely love it's Quick Access feature which shows recently modified files both locally and from OneDrive, sorted by last modified date. Now they will be packing this feature up to SharePoint sites as well. The OS is now complementing their products both locally and on the cloud. Which is a great feature. Users can now access files from local machine, OneDrive, and SharePoint sites from the explorer itself.
As a developer, VS will always remain my best product. Product might be a vague term. It can be a software. It can be a website. It can be a OS. For me, no matter what the category is, VS will remain the pick of all. That is one seamless stuff from MS!
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My latest annoyance with windows 10 is I have killed the calculator. I had brought it up and it was in programmer mode. I did a couple of calculations and then needed a function that wasn't available so I wanted to switch it to scientific mode. I clicked the "Scientific" label and it crashed. Now every time I call it up I see a blank window for about two seconds and then it goes away. I can't get it back. It's all done.
I'm at work now so my dogs aren't around to get scared like last time and my co-workers are already convinced I have Tourette's syndrome.
That's life for me with windows 10. I despise the user interface and it keeps doing stupid things and on and on...
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Hmm. There's always the usual: look for and clear CALC-related registry entries, .config files and such.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I did and it couldn't find anything beyond the class-type stuff. I didn't find configuration settings anywhere. I would think there are some somewhere because it does "remember" things but I couldn't find where they are kept.
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