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Unfortunately, that's exactly the kind of speech that ISIS leaders make to their people.
USA : ISIS -- peas in a pod.
Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way.
Oh, and don't take it personally when people bitch about things. That's what people do.
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Did you reply to my message. Which part?
To you, this is ISIS speak:
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Encourage people to start a business. A hair cutting place, a handy man service. Maybe lowes moves in, and starts training inner city people to lay tile, and do repairs. Maybe thousands of unemployed people in a city get together, and start honing their skills fixing the homes in their neighborhood for next to nothing. (By the way, I programmed for FREE to get experience, then got paid A LOT once I had the experience). It beats being angry.
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But when the LEFT in this country says that speaking against global warming should be a felony. That is NOT like ISIS?
I see the two as opposites.
I am saying don't be angry, be productive.
That is ISIS?
Or are you saying it is Rhetoric, and a "PUBLIC" position while my "PRIVATE" position is different?
I don't care if people complain. I sure do. The squeeky wheel and all.
I just REALLY hate ISIS and stamping on peoples freedoms, so I take a little offense to the unquoted statement that I could be making speeches for the likes of ISIS. Either intential or out of ignorance.
Not sure what I said that implied my way was the only way. Was suggesting we come together.
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: To you, this is ISIS speak:
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Live your life the way I say you should!
Indeed it is.
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Yeah, I see... I was giving an EXAMPLE or set of examples...
That was NOT intended to be LITERALLY the list of things.
let me summarize differently my intention:
Wherever you are at in life, choose what you want to do, and do it.
Preferably within in the law, and hopefully with a positive impact on where you live.
Is that "Less ISIS" dictation of living according to my values?
And if not. PLEASE give me an example of a way to reach those who are far less fortunate TODAY.
What message do you send?
How do you word it?
And please. Try not to let YOUR values influence the message.
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When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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We need to define a lot of terms, here.
Kirk 10389821 wrote: Preferably within in the law
Which? Sharia law?
It comprises laws made by people for people to follow. Some of it's dumb, some of it's cruel, some of it's unenforceable, some of it's abused, and some of it's singularly good.
Show me the laws of any country that you can't say exactly the same things about.
Whose laws are right?
Buggered if I know.
Kirk 10389821 wrote: less fortunate
By "less fortunate", do you mean broke?
That's not my definition. I've been broke, but it never stopped me from being happy with my family and friends, which is where the bulk of happiness lies.
Contrarily, I'm loaded, and I miss those days when I could feel truly happy, unencumbered with responsibilities and things that take up all my time. But now I'm "fortunate". Then, I was just fortunate.
Not everyone wants to dedicate their entire life to increasing their mortal wealth, which, in the end, gives them less than a smile from a child.
Sure, several people (but certainly not everyone) could become stinking rich, by dedicating their lives to doing only that, but one person climbing to the top has to do so by pushing countless others down (ask Trump), so for every one who goes up, a lot are kicked back to the bottom of the heap.
And, of course, the climb is made ever harder, if more are people trying to ascend the same, small slope, so the bottom of the slope rises, and the divide between those who are wealthy and those who are not gets ever wider, and harder to breach.
History and common sense can't be trumped by monopolar beliefs, no matter how enthusiastic they are.
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Well that is a dive down into philosophy.
There is fundamentally ONLY one law. Might makes right.
It works for all animals in the jungle.
The strong survive, the weak die.
Again, I am not sure why you think I suggest chasing money. I never did.
Find something you want to do, and do it.
Preferably within the law (never said which ones, it applies locally)
And also having a positive impact on your community.
You turned that into a statement about corporate greed.
But AMAZINGLY you NEVER said what you would suggest people do.
BTW, being happy is an emotional state. One that even small children know how to induce.
apparently you have lost the skill and believe it is associated with your "fortunate" status.
Sorry to hear that.
Hope you can stop for 30 seconds, think of something SILLIER than forgetting how to be happy, and simply laugh at how easy it is to draw upon an emotional state. And Smile. And feel happy!
Really happy. Really grateful.
God Bless
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: There is fundamentally ONLY one law. Might makes right.
Good point.
However, it's probably safe to assume that you're not mighty, and that you're therefore wrong.
Personally, I like to think that humans have evolved past the level of animal behaviour. After all, putting animal cravings and monomaniacal behaviour behind us is one of the requirements of civilised society -- a city of even a meagre million beasts would soon devour itself.
But, obviously, some people either are, or prefer to remain, unevolved.
And, BTW, it's past midnight, so the Lounge "no politics" ban is back in force, and further political discussion can't take place here.
Unfortunately, that's one of the many, many, many laws that you have to follow, even though they are not included in your list of all laws.
Evolution (or lack of it)? No problem. Discuss away.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way.
Irony.
The ISIS comparison is not called for. I strongly suspect that their speeches have just a touch more "we haven't hit our beheading quota for the week" or "you guys have been really enthusiastic about stoning educated women, gays, and Christians since we started child-bride Wednesdays, keep it up!"
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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They ardently believe in their way of life, the same as anyone who is even mildly fanatical.
Fanaticism of any kind is a bad thing, because one of its main effects is to give people the errant belief that they are better than people who don't share their beliefs -- and saying "Our fanatics are better than Your fanatics!" is just plain dumb.
I have yet to see a belief system that convinces me that it is what we were put on this Earth for -- and capitalism comes Incredibly low on the score chart.
People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money? I don't think so.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money?
That is not what capitalism is. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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How would you know what capitalism is?
You claim to be a Christian, so it's against your religion.
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Ye Gods.
Read the bible, you moron.
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Your point of fact has nothing to do with anything that Kirk said.
Are you doing okay? Have you been hit in the head lately or...?
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
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Kaladin wrote: they .... use different means of reclaiming that honor
True.
ISIS uses sharpened steel to remove people they don't want.
Trump uses only a finger.
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Well, mouth 
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Kaladin wrote: Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. 
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People made a lot of money out of planning what the principles should say, and when it should be said.
Don't blame the monkeys for dancing to the organ-grinders' tunes.
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I don't mean honor as acting justly but as...I guess esteem/respect in the eyes of everyone else? The opposite of being mocked. Very different from our Western morality of innocence and guilt.
Trump's rhetoric of deriding is opponents is an attempt to shame them thereby gaining more honor for himself
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Probably. But then, Ms. Clinton did the same, and in my opinion, perhaps because I loath her more than Trump, she did so with the type of labeling and name-calling that demonized his character. The media took up the narrative and spread it around so that everyone demonized him, to the point where we now have Democrats and immigrants freaking out, irrationally thinking he's going to either destroy America or deport all immigrants, or both. With the exception of the few conservative media outlets, the media did not take up his derisive comments against Hillary or others, expect as "proof" of Hillary's narrative.
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That's an interesting take, but I'd have to disagree.
Hillary is honorless, hateful, and criminal. You can't remove something that's not there. That is precisely the reason that so many people voted against her.
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Honor in the sense I'm talking about isn't a personal moral state but something that is perceived by everyone else. And regardless of whether of your or my opinions of her, there are many people that perceive her as good and just and whatnot.
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And regardless of your or my opinion of Trump, comparing the position given by one of his supporters to ISIS is meant to be demeaning.
Trying to mince words in order to back up that comparison is not the right thing to do, which is very much what this feels like.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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