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Ye Gods.
Read the bible, you moron.
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Your point of fact has nothing to do with anything that Kirk said.
Are you doing okay? Have you been hit in the head lately or...?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
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Kaladin wrote: they .... use different means of reclaiming that honor
True.
ISIS uses sharpened steel to remove people they don't want.
Trump uses only a finger.
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Well, mouth 
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Kaladin wrote: Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. 
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People made a lot of money out of planning what the principles should say, and when it should be said.
Don't blame the monkeys for dancing to the organ-grinders' tunes.
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I don't mean honor as acting justly but as...I guess esteem/respect in the eyes of everyone else? The opposite of being mocked. Very different from our Western morality of innocence and guilt.
Trump's rhetoric of deriding is opponents is an attempt to shame them thereby gaining more honor for himself
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Probably. But then, Ms. Clinton did the same, and in my opinion, perhaps because I loath her more than Trump, she did so with the type of labeling and name-calling that demonized his character. The media took up the narrative and spread it around so that everyone demonized him, to the point where we now have Democrats and immigrants freaking out, irrationally thinking he's going to either destroy America or deport all immigrants, or both. With the exception of the few conservative media outlets, the media did not take up his derisive comments against Hillary or others, expect as "proof" of Hillary's narrative.
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That's an interesting take, but I'd have to disagree.
Hillary is honorless, hateful, and criminal. You can't remove something that's not there. That is precisely the reason that so many people voted against her.
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- Benjamin Disraeli
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Honor in the sense I'm talking about isn't a personal moral state but something that is perceived by everyone else. And regardless of whether of your or my opinions of her, there are many people that perceive her as good and just and whatnot.
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And regardless of your or my opinion of Trump, comparing the position given by one of his supporters to ISIS is meant to be demeaning.
Trying to mince words in order to back up that comparison is not the right thing to do, which is very much what this feels like.
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You are, as always, full of sh*t.
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And, as always, you're a delightful little cherub.
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The poor always blame the rich for their problems.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Life's funny, that way.
Actually, it's not funny; it's just human.
Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
So, because I don't wish to appear to be too inhuman, I'm laying the blame for all my problems at your feet!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
Well sure, 'tis human nature. What I find sad is that people don't realize it. Then again, the reason I'm not married is because women are crazy (joking).
Jeremy Falcon
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Now That I can get behind!
What is the cause of 99% of mens' problems?
The answer is only slightly bleeding obvious!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Jeremy Falcon wrote: The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Do they? You may be right, but I can't think of any straightforward examples of which troubles they blame on the poor. Help me out with a few.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: God Bless America!
um, church + state is unconstitutional.
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I'm not in the mood to argue. Maybe you are, but I find that life is more enjoyable when you don't always argue with people who find too much joy in arguing and no joy in nothing else. Further more, everyone knows the church plus state thing has more to do with forced practices. Nobody is forcing you to say that. We also have freedom of speech. Which means I can say it. And furthermore, anyone who is any way in any form educated in more modern studies regarding spirituality know that God can mean different things to different people, which means even the non-religious (traditionally speaking) can use it.
My point is, dude... don't always argue.
Jeremy Falcon
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Who's arguing? I'm just sticking firecrackers in holes, because it's more fun (and Way more sensible) than taking any of this seriously.
I.e. this is yet another transient event that we (especially those of us who aren't USAian) won't even think about in a few years' time, so just have fun with it.
Life is full of such dramatically important events, which, when you stop thinking emotionally and/or irrationally, you realise aren't really dramatic or important to you, after all.
Yet another game of men chasing balls around a field was won by some team? Pfft.
Yet another lying jerk won an election between lying jerks? Meh.
Firefly was cancelled? Hey, now, wai... Just hold on a minute!
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Fair enough, I'm just over sensitive right now. My man boobs are almost lactating from dealing with all this political crap.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yup[^].
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