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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris C-B2-Aug-16 4:40

Chris C-B

2-Aug-16 4:40

Sander Rossel wrote:
The next step will be to actually use it and find out that everything does not work as you'd expect
horizontal/vertical-alignment? Never works.
width? Only works when the moon and stars are aligned every 1000 years.
line-height? Only on uhhh... That one element... You know?
margin? Works when the width of the height is the size of the alignment of the parents child's parent width height size.
float? For when you really want to mess up everything.

Excuseme, but you forgot the most salient point - if you can get it to work in just one browser, you can guarantee it won't work in any other.

I quit web development just before the death of classic ASP, and have been a happy man ever since. I even write in VB.net, rather than go back to web stuff. Blush | :O

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Sander Rossel2-Aug-16 4:52

Sander Rossel

2-Aug-16 4:52

Chris C-B wrote:
if you can get it to work in just one browser, you can guarantee it won't work in any other.

How could I forget about that Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Chris C-B wrote:
I even write in VB.net

It's just C# with slightly different syntax Big Grin | :-D

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

ClockMeister3-Aug-16 8:38

ClockMeister

3-Aug-16 8:38

Chris C-B wrote:
I quit web development just before the death of classic ASP, and have been a happy man ever since. I even write in VB.net, rather than go back to web stuff.

I've been trying on-and-off for 16 years to get myself into Web development (I've been coding for nearly 40 years) and every time I hit a wall with it. Good thing I'm not doing Web for a living! I know "basically" how it all works and have done some simple web applications (ASP.Net) but I'm always happier (and less prone to headaches) in the "back end" writing rules-engines and dealing with SQL. The Winforms GUI is nice and mature and lets me express the data the way I want it to. I guess I'm just not enough of a masochist to get too deep into the web stuff. I'd rather just write some nice C# (or VB.Net).

Nice to see that it isn't just me that goes crazy looking at this web technology which, incidentally, really seems like a hacked together form of "programming". Ugh ...

modified 3-Aug-16 14:51pm.

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Foothill2-Aug-16 4:44

Foothill

2-Aug-16 4:44

Preach, brother.

Personally, I can't figure out why they decided to use text to transmit web data instead of raw binary. Both would have to be parsed to be displayed anyway. While text may be readable, it requires 5X+ the bandwidth.

Nowadays, when you visit most websites you get mabey 5KB of actual content and 350KB of pure B.S. (ads, scripts, etc...) that have to be pulled down from 30 different other websites.

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Besinger2-Aug-16 6:29

Besinger

2-Aug-16 6:29

I have to agree on the Crystal Reports! Everytime I touch one I have to reset the data connection! Nothing ever formats the way you want it. Please oh please let me replace them?

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark_Wallace2-Aug-16 7:09

Mark_Wallace

2-Aug-16 7:09

I've found that HTML/CSS works a Hell of a lot better if you take out the CSS.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Slow Eddie3-Aug-16 4:02

Slow Eddie

3-Aug-16 4:02

I feel your pain. I am going through the exact same learning curve myself, right now. Mad | :mad:

It IS getting better, the more that I work at it. But I will laugh long and hard in the face of any of the fools that complain about VB or C#.

HTML, CSS, Java (script or otherwise), RAD tools they are NOT, Consistent they are really NOT.

Check out Bootstrap, it has helped me tremendously.

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Ben Holtzman3-Aug-16 4:53

Ben Holtzman

3-Aug-16 4:53

I feel your pain. CSS can be trickier than it might seem. For things like horizontal and vertical alignment you need to take into account what containers the styled elements are placed inside of. That will influence what style rule you can use or what style rule combinations you need to use in order to make the alignment work. The sucky part about it for me was that until I was given an explanation, I probably wouldn't have been able to figure out the dependencies by myself or by referencing many of the popular web standards tutorials out on the web.

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Herbie Mountjoy3-Aug-16 5:09

Herbie Mountjoy

3-Aug-16 5:09

I'm so glad I am not alone. Html has 'evolved' for want of a better word, over a number of years. Bits have been tacked on until it has become a horror to use.
To my mind css is the icing on the cake. It puts all the formatting into a dark cupboard, or even a number of dark cupboards, that make it hard to follow.
I am currently struggling with bootstrap. Yes it works but how the hell do you remember what all the bits do? It's like trying to remember all the Java libraries, yech!!!

I wanna go back to desktop development...

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel Wilianto3-Aug-16 18:23

Daniel Wilianto

3-Aug-16 18:23

Thanks God I don't do web development for a living.

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Kirk 103898213-Aug-16 5:50

Kirk 10389821

3-Aug-16 5:50

OMG I am not alone.

HTML/CSS is a Hackers Dream. You keep hacking away at it until it works in your browser.
Then you repeat it for the various other browsers. Then you go on a shooting spree when the
first Mobile user hits the page, LOL.

I used to design every web page INSIDE of a <table>. I got lots of crap over it.
But guess what? I could get things to line up, and I could easily push back and say "Nope,
can't do that, how about this?"

But HTML Fixed (broke) all of that with DIVs that NEVER seem to align properly.
And then doing it with indirection... It reminds me of the Robin Williams Rant on Golf!
We write simple HTML.
Q: Using HTML
No. Using a completely different language, with no understanding of HTML. (Laughing starts)
Q: Oh to make it easier
No. To make you have to compile it, and then test it, and NEVER quite know what is wrong.
Q: But once you are done, you are good
NO. Because you have to test every browser... (Stronger Laughter)
Q: Then you are good
NO. Because you have to check mobile, and iPads
Q: Finally good?
NOPE. Because the browsers will get updated, and the standards will change and break things.

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

modified 4-Aug-16 13:11pm.

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Sander Rossel4-Aug-16 6:07

Sander Rossel

4-Aug-16 6:07

That's messed up (literally) Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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Regards,
Sander

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave Kreskowiak2-Aug-16 3:41

Dave Kreskowiak

2-Aug-16 3:41

You actually said too much. You could have stopped at just "IE8", or even "IE", and we all would have known your plight.

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Sander Rossel2-Aug-16 4:00

Sander Rossel

2-Aug-16 4:00

True

Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need.
Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.
— Edsger W. Dijkstra

Regards,
Sander

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Vincent Maverick Durano2-Aug-16 4:32

Vincent Maverick Durano

2-Aug-16 4:32

Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
You actually said too much. You could have stopped at just "IE8", or even "IE", and we all would have known your plight.

LMAO! Very well said! But wait.. IE6 was worst Laugh | :laugh:

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave Kreskowiak2-Aug-16 7:24

Dave Kreskowiak

2-Aug-16 7:24

Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
IE6

HOW DARE YOU USE SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE IN MY PRESENCE. Big Grin | :-D

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Vincent Maverick Durano2-Aug-16 7:56

Vincent Maverick Durano

2-Aug-16 7:56

Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
HOW DARE YOU USE SUCH FOUL LANGUAGE IN MY PRESENCE.

lol. My deepest apology your highness. But it's not even a language. It's a JOKE. IE6 was a JOKE! Laugh | :laugh:

Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter2-Aug-16 3:56

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

2-Aug-16 3:56

Come on! You are doing it for less then a year!!! I do web for almost 20 years - try IE6 or Netscape Navigator and you will find IE8 a nice guy Laugh | :laugh:

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Re: #$%#%*^@#"$*^%@$*%%$*@^%*^2$*%@(%!!_71t957t557!%T!~!!!!!!!!!!!

Sander Rossel2-Aug-16 3:59

Sander Rossel

2-Aug-16 3:59