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DISCLAIMER: I'm not going to say I agree with everything I'm about to type, or even most of it. This is my understanding of the debate.
Munchies_Matt wrote: What is it all about and can they be serious?
Yep. Many hate the English. I actually had bother in Glasgow one time for being English, it's never happened before as evrything down to about Teeside has always been seen as a sort of buffer zone in the past, like the Scots but wi' tha brains kicked oot. Something has changed, my guess this is resentment left to fester since the 80s, a disappointing/illegal war starting labour government in the 90s and the current lot apparently using austerity as a smokescreen for to privatisation lots of public sector functions.
Munchies_Matt wrote: One result is a Labour govt will never be elected again to London; Scotland is a big labour voter.
From what I saw, this is a big driver. The mantra is repeated "we've got a government nobody voted for"*. There is a feeling that Scotland is disconnected from the political process and the UK is run in London for London, so nothing has been done to fix the . Finally, the whole of Westminster politics has shifted right, leaving Scotland as a sort of socialist rump that wants to be more akin to the successful and more left wing Scandewegian countries and the thing that is preventing this is successive conservative gov'ts elected largely in the south & English countryside.** What it will mean is that Scotland will end up with successive left wing governments - Labour or SNP (who are broadly left wing).
It's similar to UKIP success in England - a reaction to an increasing professional political class that seems divorced from the constituency it is supposed to represent.
* There is a name for this: democracy.
** everything I've said also applies to large parts of northern England, but no-one is batting for that.
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Keith Barrow wrote: There is a feeling that Scotland is disconnected from the political process and the UK
I had an interesting conversation with a Glaswegian about this very topic today. His opinion is that this is a load of hooey because Scotland has had devolution for quite a period of time, so they are being run from Edinburgh - he really doesn't get the whole London issue. As far as he's concerned, the problem is Wee Eck and SNP and not LibLabCon.
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Quite, it has its own govt, its own law, it can be as independent as it likes. What more do they want?
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The independence is being presented as breaking away from the ruling English, which is of course bollocks as you say.
Also the referendum isn't legally binding and a yes vote does not mean independence happens.
At the commonwealth games the other month England flags were outselling Scottish ones, and when Derby played Rangers at the start of August the Rangers fans all had union flags and sang songs about keeping the union.
A lot of Scots are happy with the union, more than want independence, with plenty not giving a sh*t either way.
Problem is it is a lot easier to get people to vote for change than to vote for nothing to happen.
Also it is a lot easier to market the oppressive English Tory overlords, even if not true.
It'll be a lot closer but I still just about expect a no result.
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I think it will be an overwhelming no vote. Scots people are that stupid after all.
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I asked myself, "From whom is Scotland seeking independence?" Turns out, even learned people in the UK have a hard time answering that question since, for one, Scotland has seats in the UK parliament.
The second question is, what do England, Wales and Northern Ireland feel about this?
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To me it is like a torso seeking independence from its legs. A cripplingly stupid idea. Scotland and England are so much part of one body, that one cant function without the other.
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Since when did we start posting important things in the Lounge?
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Decision made according to the results of a survey.
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walterhevedeich wrote: Since when did we start posting important things in the Lounge?
Good point.  Should it be marked as Abusive or SPAM? 
There's no room for important stuff in the Lounge. Use the VB forum instead.
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That forum is too sacred for important things.
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Thanks for the link, yeah it's important to many duds are getting through the cracks. And the sad part is the only up votes they're getting are from themselves using dummy accounts.
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How can we decide whether or not Chris is happy for his vote to be made public?
Shirley that's for him to know.
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Who is it that approves such articles[^] ? This is merely a tip. 
Again: if every two lines of something gats approved to be an article, then the whole quality of the site will sink dramatically.
I wish the list of approvers would be public (or at least visible to moderators), so that they would explain me how and why they approved.
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Approving of articles is a permission that is earned according to CP points in various disciplines; check your own status to see where it applies. And I suspect that any list of approvers would be quite large.
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The question war half rhetorical, for I know how the approval system works. What I am bitching about is that I am under the impression that some "approvers" don't do their job correctly.
Richard MacCutchan wrote: any list of approvers would be quite large
I meant that I would like the approvers list for each article to be known, not the complete list of people with the privilege.
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Sounds like something for sugs&bugs.
I would approve of such a list.
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Already suggested.[^].
Just trying to gather other people's opinion, because it is not the first time I have suggested it.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rage wrote: that some "approvers" don't do their job correctly.
But that will always be the case. There are plenty of mediocre articles that get lots of +5 votes, probably because the author emails the link to all friends and colleagues. In fact you occasionally come across one and all the comments make it quite clear that this is happening. With a system as large as CP there will always be abuse.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: But that will always be the case
But this is no reason to not try and improve the way it goes.
Reputation points are like entropy, they don't fade, and this encourages the fact that more and more people will be potential moderators, and the game goes on. If any, I am the best example of people who should normally not be allowed to moderate articles, but my rep points allow me to.
So I think:
- Rep points should fade.
- Requested rep points amount for privileges like article moderation should be set much higher.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I don't think Rep points should fade. But I do agree with your second point.
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Look at the moderator's forum - when I'm not too lazy I find them in knots...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Yes, I know, but they still get approved.
And I don't think the moderator forum has high traffic or interest in. My two cents.
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Indeed, and that's why I second this[^] suggestion of yours. Once we have a dedicated page for approving the articles, all relevant details (like number of votes, list of approvers and so on..) can be made available over there.
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