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Education.
No matter what you do in terms of procedures, users will spend as little time n it as they can - they are busy people who don't realise what you need to know. So teach them why you need to know, to try and encourage them to help you to help them!
Well, a man can dream, anyway... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Do you have a 1st line of support / customer service or helpdesk? Assign someone to that 1st line and train them to get all the information you need so they can pass it back to your developers. So tell them they need to look for a unique identifier, a page name, screenshots and get the error messages from the user.
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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ask them to at least send a screen shot of the issue. this will help you to focus on particular module / screen.
Ravi Khoda
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Create a error dump which will contain the Error Log and Stack Trace.Request users to send the error dump file.
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Triage,
Employ someone cheap with little or no knowledge of the technology or the systems, to take the support calls/emails etc.
Never EVER let the users talk to anyone who knows anything about anything, unless they (the customer) are called directly.
Have the triage person trained to ask all the questions you know need asking and, if you don't get the information, go back to the triage person who then calls the customer and asks for the information.
The triage person can be on the customer's side "I know, I thought what you told me sounded fine, but for some reason they need to know if it was the iPad version or the PC version you were running"
Also Mr. triage can be pro-active - tell the customer they'll be called back within 2 hours, then calling them back, within 2 hours even if only to let them know there's no news.
internally you can continue to use the existing systems you do, safe in the knowledge that Mr. traige is getting all the information for you.
And Mr. triage is much cheaper than you.
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Really? I thought we hated talking to customer support people who are clueless?
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Yeah, we do, but what we hate even more is talking to users! 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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no, what we hate is talking to customer support people.
The idea of this role is that they aren't support - they are just a note-taker and question asker. they don't know how the system works, and their sole purpose is to collect data to pass on (if they're clever then they may also suggest an urgency status)
thing is, they're not some support twonk who think he knows everything and thinks you should be able to fix it if you just 'copy and paste teh bit that does it on this screen' - they're a cheap lackey who knows their place 
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This is a great idea but you need to sack and replace them frequently. Even the simplest start to pick up knowledge after a while and then they start thinking for themselves which is never a good idea. Eventually they stop asking the questions and just forward things on because they have heard something similar before and know who to pass it to.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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You're exactly right. backpackers make good ones.
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There is no such system - it's a pure human factor. In or web application we have a build in reporting system, that takes the user by hand to do the best report immediately when error occurs - in most cases it does not help.
You have to educate your clients to that - there is no other way...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Jacquers wrote: Our support dept often gets very vague emails about 'something' being broken, without much details and we want to implement something to improve this and make it better / easier for developers to track down and fix issues.
Hah! Don't waste your time making users fill something out. You'll get back a crap load of "default values" and/or textboxes filled with little to nothing at all.
The best information you're going to get is code sprinkled all over your application that tracks what was going on, a usually a simple kind of structure to track application state. When you get an exception that crashes your application, grab a copy of that "state structure" and include it in your own dump of the exception and state.
On top of that, you also force a crash dump of your application.
That's about the best your going to get, with no user interaction at all.
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The best thing is to run an error logger with a built in "key logger" on your application.
There are few better feelings than being able to tell an obnoxious user that they lost their data because they pressed cancel instead of ok. 
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Has become the most successful animated film of all time (although with the Lego Movie hot on its tail), and judging by my Facebook feed every single person in the UK with young children bought the DVD on Tuesday when it was released, including my wife. I've had to watch it twice since.
It's a bit sh*t really.
Generally in recent years I think there have been some superb animated films, great writing, genuine humour, interesting story lines, but this didn't really have any of that.
No explanation for the situation, poorly developed characters I didn't care about, the comic character was mostly just irritating, and a plot that was ultimately just all a bit pointless.
Best bit about it was the trailer, and that wasn't in the film.
Oh, and because they knew everyone was going to buy the DVD anyway, bugger all extras on it.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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It's been on in the background in my house and I haven't really paid any attention to it, but I got the impression it was probably an attempt to get back to the genre of old. It's a musical isn't it?
And a welcome escape from the formula of a main character and a 'humourous' all-American sidekick.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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chriselst wrote: every single person in the UK with young children bought the DVD on Tuesday when it was released, including my wife.
Your wife is single?
Seriously though I agree. It was actually recommended to me by this complete film geek I sit next to who, like your wife, is single. I thought if he likes it, and he hasn't got kids, it must be good, it wasn't. The kids 'liked' it but it's not in the same league as Wrek-it Ralph, Monster Uni, Despicable Me etc.
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My girlfriend is mad about it, I've had to see it twice also now.
Though I must admit I enjoyed watching it the first time. The 200 times my girlfriend has sang "Let It Go!" though...
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: The 200 times my girlfriend has sang "Let It Go!" though...
My daughter has been doing that too, but she is 8 so...
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I was going to ask how old his girlfriend was.
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There are two three reasons why I won't buy it:
1) It says on the cover "Disney" and that normally means "rubbish if you are over ten"
2) The cover looks horribly twee and puke inducing.
2a) It's a musical. By Disney. 
3) Your review looks more honest than those on imdb...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: It says on the cover "Disney" and that normally means "rubbish if you are over ten"
They have made some very watchable films from an adult point of view recently. Monsters Inc was brilliant, and I really enjoyed Monsters University although it is an inferior film because it is basically animal house. Wreck-It Ralph is excellent, I like Brave a lot because it isn't about a Princess who wants to meet her true love, Tangled is very good even though it sort of is. Toy Story films are very watchable if you ever had any toys, Up has a wonderful montage about the old fella's life with his late wife, and the opening of WALL-E with no human dialog is absorbing to watch. Finding Nemo, Lilo & Stitch, good stories with fully rounded characters you care about and plenty of humour that works on an adult level too.
I saw quite a few of them before I had a child and don't mind seeing them again since.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I generally like Disney movies, but I'm with you on this one. Rubbish. 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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I am happy to see how grown ups are watching movies for that little child inside them. 
I watched Frozen and even made my boyfriend watch it with me. I am not sure if he enjoyed it, I believe he watched it because I asked him to do so. It always surprised me what men are ready to do for a girl :P
Yes its a musical like every Disney movie, but this one was unique, because its the first ever Disney made movie in which the main heroine says : You cannot marry someone you just met. It was epic
I watch animated movies and i enjoy them a lot. To be fair i like the japaneese animated movies or animes more than the american's.
Yes i am old and still watch animes and i am happy because these are really nice movies and they can always make me laugh.
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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Argonia wrote: Yes i am old
... define old ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Old is when you are asked to go upstairs to make love, you have to insist on one or the other as you can't manage both.
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