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OriginalGriff wrote: "Apple are a technology based company"
Yeah that's patently untrue, it should be "Apple is a technology based company". 
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Good grief? Is they? 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: "Windows 8 is wonderful!"
Maybe as a whole it is not, but the "dism /online /cleanup-image /RestoreHealth" command that was added in Windows 8 is wonderful.
Cause it fixes the component store so that "sfc /scannow" will repair all corrupted system files.
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I've would've said that I had heard that childbirth was pretty painful.
I think that would've made the point, especially since the conversation was between two women.
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I dunno - I don't remember it hurting at all.
Mind you I was very young at the time, and my mother may have had a different opinion (particularly since I was a 13 pounder - 5.9kg - apparently!  )
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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dandy72 wrote: I've would've said that I had heard that childbirth was pretty painful.
That reminds me of a joke trying to determine which pain is worse childbirth or being kicked in the testicles.
The conclusion is that being kicked is worse because no man ever says in a year or two that they would like to go through it again.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So why do we say things that are patently untrue?
Figure of speech.
It's their opinion.
It really doesn't matter.
Regardless of who's "right," it won't change anything.
Arguing just for the sake of it is pointless.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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OriginalGriff wrote: why do we accept them without calling other people an elephanting moron?
Because getting into an argument with a moron is pointless. Are you sure the other woman wasn't being sarcastic?
What annoys me are the seemingly automatic greetings (challenge/response) people use like ('How are you?' || 'What's going on?' || 'What are you doing/'). Worse, are the automatic responses to the common challenges, often with another challenge thrown in to be nice...'Fine, How are you?' (an honest answer to this challenge is mostly considered rude and in bad taste, so please just stick to the script!) && ('Nothing, What are you doing?' || 'Just working') (as if you had to ask!). One other one I hate is when someone says, 'I hate to bother you'... 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I think we say it to somehow make the person feel better but it doesn't work!
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OriginalGriff wrote: And worse, why do we accept them without calling other people an elephanting moron?
So presumably that's another shop that you're not allowed in, then? 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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It's called an "expression", in this case "nothing worse" is an expression of sympathy. Her meaning was clear.
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Yeah, that's right. It is really coming down here in Southern California. The dogs don't quite understand what the noise on the windows and roof is all about. 
The storm is supposed to continue at least another day and the weather forecasters are even talking about thunder, which is really quite rare around here.
And in case it is playing in your head by now, here is the clickity[^] 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Hi,
Good to hear that it's raining in California since as I understood there was a shortage of rain this year causing problems for the farmers and other folks 
Go "shampoo" the dogs and kick 'm out 
With friendly greetings,
Eric Goedhart
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Oh, so you got the rain. We were so looking forward to it.
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A 20 minute journey took me over an hour yesterday. Roads closed and Ventura Blvd was a river. It was funny watching how other drivers reacted to this strange phenomenon. The ones still with their heads down, texting are the best. Click-click-bang! Saw a few of those.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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So a few inches of water shut down roads? Remember that next time everyone laughs at Atlanta when a few inches of water shuts my city down.
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I was developing a very simple application that contains two gridviews with some buttons and paging/sorting/filtering requirements. I recently learned MVC and really willing to give it a go for this project but I was on a tight deadline. Business needed a project ready in production within a week. No big deal provided it was a simple application. Fetch some data from database, display in two grids and once processed change status values. I started coding in MVC but really struggled without proper controls to use and need to revert to webforms.
Do you use any third party controls while coding data intensive MVC application ? What if company is not willing to invest in any third party controls ?
Zen and the art of software maintenance : rm -rf *
Math is like love : a simple idea but it can get complicated.
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Grid.MVC[^]
Pretty poor compared to the Web Forms controls (although, with some effort, it works ok)) but I think, if you're willing to pay, some of the larger third party control makers have some good stuff. Maybe look at Infragistics.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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MVC is a framework - route maps for instance to enforce separation of logic.
If you want GUI components, try devexpress or infragistics, they are leading vendors
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DevExpress, Infragistics, Syncfusion, Telerik -- take your pick.
Marc
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When you switch to a newer framework, don't try to use it as an older framework. It's not the MVC that is making this difficult, it's the over dependency on the gridview (Just look at the QA section filled with gridview questions).
You need just one controller action with 3 parameters. It is little bit extra work. But once you implement it, you get much cleaner and faster gridview. (But I guess you already did)
Once you get familiar with MVC, you will not miss these rich controls. Instead you will like the freedom of creating your own controls, and your application will stand out from the crowd.
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