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Erudite_Eric wrote: How the hell can you say that?
Easy, it's true.
Point 1. The picture was not necessarily current.
Point 2. Not true.
Point 3. Possibly, but nothing is guaranteed in fishing.
Point 4. They need the cash now, and as everyone knows, it's not the fishermen who control the prices.
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Facile you mean...
1) I saw pics on the news, the fisherman was explaining how tangled up they are.
2) It is.
3) I forgot what I posted. But I knew a guy on subs who said this. They used to hook up quite a few trawlers near Plymouth, and got suspicious when they realised they were being followed by them.
4) So give them loans rather than bail outs. Ha, got you there! 
As for not controlling the prices, they should, if not they are a bunch of wimps who should organise a union to set prices.
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Erudite_Eric wrote: Facile you mean.
Exactly so.
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We (EU residents) do subsidise Champagne and truffle production.
(EEC regional assistance and rural subsidies)
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If say the region got hit by severe storms and a few months production halted, would you expect to be bailed out by the state?
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Yes - afraid we would - it happens all the time.
Remember the hailstones a few winters backed that did huge damage to French/German vineyards?
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Now ordinary vinyards, I can imagine getting compensation, but how about Champagne? Like the lobsters, it is a luxury product, and it is deeply unjust that the tax payer should cough up.
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Indeed - but other parts of the world can't make Champagne (for legal reasons). In point of fact Australian sparkling Chardonnay is way nicer) so it is a fantastic export product. I'd guess the same is true for lobster and truffles. In particular the Chinese and Japanese pay truly startling amounts for these products.
This offsets (very slightly) the amount of trade imbalance that we have which requires government borrowing to address, so in fact subsidising these reduces the burden on the tax payer.
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I know, but would you expect the EU to bail out Champagne vinyards if they got hit by a storm? Personally I would say tough, tae it out of you massive profit margins.
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probably not, but because the product is luxury, doesn't automatically mean the producer shouldn't be subsidised.
For example as a UK resident you have provided a great deal of subsidy to Bombadier (after they acquired Shorts Bros) and their main product is executive jets.
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Ah, well big industry was always an issue, but I didn't know the UK psrt subsidised Bombardier? They make lovely planes though, I always enjoy flying on the CRJs.
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The picture of him with the pots behind reminds me of sea monsters wearing snazzy bonnets. Lucky old devil, he is. All those pretty girls to choose from. 
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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You can see in his eyes he is a crafty bugger just taking us for a ride.
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He should set up a "lobster pot" brides for sale website. I'm in.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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He's in a business where loss/damage by storms should be expected. He should either factor that into his price, have insurance, or both. At the end of the day, what should happen is that he goes out of business. The more fishermen that go out of business because they're operating a business that is eventually doomed to fail, the sooner the market will compensate by raising the cost of lobster to a price that makes lobster fishing sustainable again (well, not for the lobsters.)
If you can't tell, I loathe gov't subsidies that the taxpayer pays for. For all the rhetoric about democracy, we live in a socialistic poverty economy world.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: democracy
Not in the EU.
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I quite agree. Its normal wear and tear and let the free market let those survive who can!
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Movie Quote Of The Day
Do you like scary movies?
Well, do you? Punk! 
Which movie?
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Grimms' Fairy Tales (any year you pick)...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Have you seen One Night in Paris?
It'd make me scream... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: It'd make me scream...
That's something one can understand in various... ways.
The scariest moment is always just before the Start - Stephen King
Die Frauen warten auf die Liebe, und die Männer warten auf die Frauen - Wolf Wondratschek
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VB: The Movie
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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Sorry, the title isn't totally correct... it's
"VB - The Review"
(yes|no|maybe)*
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Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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"I'd have got away with using VB if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!"
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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