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ryanb31 wrote: The navigation is not as good as it was in XP.
I agree completely, Win7's explorer navigation is a downgrade from XP's
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Of course, I've said that on CP a number of times. As I said here[^], I've been using it as my only OS at home and think it works great for the most part. I think the switch will be less difficult for users than the switch to the ribbon and will be quite beneficial.
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Marc A. Brown wrote: than the switch to the ribbon
I agree (Oh, the elephanting ribbon).
Veni, vidi, vici.
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Maybe I've been frozen for a couple of centuries by since when does a shell matters that much?
Sure I'm what some call a "power user" although I don't think I demand more from a shell than anyone else that actually uses it.
For me a good shell is one that doesn't get in my way when I need to get something done so if it allows me to do my top 10 things in 2 clicks or less then I'm satisfied.
After those 2 clicks I'm usually leaving the shell and all I demand is performance, security and stability.
If you ask me I'm pretty much "excited" about the new IO handling in Windows 8 (similar to what we can get now with Teracopy) than with its Metro mambo...
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We used to say that a "power user" is someone who can do detailed word processing and document formatting in Lotus 1-2-3.
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Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Others have tried similar things (Apple) with little or no success.
In fact the reality revealed that, for example, many buy Apple hardware to install MS software.
As long as the hardware owners feel like they're actually owning something, they will want to do whatever they want with their hardware.
If some wont allow it others will so I believe it will never be a true issue.
Lets see what this Metro hype ends up like... for me if it falls back to an optional Windows 7 like shell I wont ever bother my brain with this matter. 
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I recently replaced an Android phone with a new WP7 Nokia, and like Metro a lot there. Not sure how it will translate to desktop, though. In general, people don't like change and it may be tough to sell Metro to existing PC users.
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Microsoft's design team says that the Metro UI is partly inspired by signs commonly found at public transport systems (from Wikipedia)
Who uses public transportation:
The illiterate
Women with screaming babies
Day traders who are busy stroking their fondlepads
Alcoholics whose driver's license have been suspended
And Microsoft thinks this group of people should provide the guidance on what is a good UI?
Riiiight.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Who uses public transportation:
The illiterate
Women with
screaming babies
Day traders who are busy stroking their fondlepads
Alcoholics whose driver's license have been suspended
Hmmm, I wonder which of these groups I belong to 
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I remember when the ribbon first came out in Office. I did not like it but after using it I found it much better than the toolbar.
I do not like the Metro UI now but who knows, after using it for some time, it may work great.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I believe what you say is more about getting used to an interface... obviously, if you use something for long enough you start liking it...
I remember working with excel on Office Xp and change to 2007 was not easy... esp. if you have to go hunting for the simple options that you knew existed at one click before
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality!!!
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ryanb31 wrote: I remember when the ribbon first came out in Office. I did not like it but after using it I found it much better than the toolbar.
Toolbars suck too. Give me a menubar, don't move the freaking menus around, because when I use something like Word, I want to be spending my time writing the document, not figuring out where the heck the "convert to table" feature went. I should be able to do this without moving my hand off the keyboard to the mouse. I should be able to do this without interrupting my flow of thoughts to deal with the UI.
As far as I'm concerned, people at Microsoft (and every else, for that matter) have lost all concept of what usability means.
Marc
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I had the same initial reaction to the ribbon and wound up preferring it. As to Metro, I've loved it since the first time I saw it back before Windows Phone was released. Using it on a PC has been a delightful experience.
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Wow. I don't hear many people say they like it on a pc. There is so much hatred towards Microsoft for doing it now, I wonder what it will be like in 2 years, we will still hate it or will everyone think it is great? It will be interesting.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote: I don't hear many people say they like it on a pc.
I wonder how many of those people used it for any length of time before saying they didn't like it.
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The main problem I have with Metro is that unless you are using a device with a touch screen, the UI is basically annoying. I personally would have enjoyed icons turning into 3D representations on the desktop instead of flat blocks with some text that resemble a child's puzzle. For a phone or tablet it's fine IMO, but for a desktop no.
Make the screen resemble a 3D box and the icons could be 3D animated glyph's rotating in space or something.
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I still prefer sensible dropdown menus to the bloated space waster that is the ribbon. Give me succinct text rather than an icon that I have to play guessing games with.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Q: Love or hate?
A: yes / undecided / no
Yes I hate it or no I don't love it.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I suspect that on a touchscreen: a phone, or a tablet it'll work fine.
On my monitor? Elephant that! Do I need icons the size of small buses in order to get a mouse to them? No, no, I don't...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Metro is awesome when it is talked from the perspective of Windows Phone.
Metro is awesome when talked from perspective of Naive Users.
But is not good If we are trying to work as a Software developer and perhaps that is why everyone is saying "NO".
Anyone agrees?
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I agree that it may be mostly developers having a hard time with it. Just like people saying that the tablet will replace the PC in 2 years. I can't imagine trying to develop on a tablet. I need the mouse, keyboard, multiple monitors, etc.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I disagree. After all, you don't have to develop for Metro (unless you're going to target WOA). The desktop is still there, you just have a different mechanism for launching apps and a new option (Metro and WinRT) for writing them.
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Never paid attention what pattern does Microsoft uses....
(and a secret,actually never heard about Metro shhh!  )
Many things available on CP... Rarely visit Microsoft website 
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