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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I see your body clock is still screwed up from the flights.
It must be all the stairs he has to run up and down to keep the hamsters in check.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Still in Oz and since it's pre-midnight here it's still office hours 
I am looking forward to the cricket. Except if you lot beat us, that is.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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If???? Surely you mean when.
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And by how much of a margin!
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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My mate in Pakistan informs me we have already beat you, 3-1.
The Whiteboard - Surely the most remarkable invention ever?
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It's all bad 
At least it wasn't the Kiwis...
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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PompeyBoy3 wrote: My mate in Pakistan informs me we have already beat you, 3-1.
Oh man! 
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Johnny J. wrote: posting a link to an absolutely disgusting and offensive page about cruelty to animals.
Where? I saw no cruelty in that link. Eating the body of a dead cat may not be to your taste (or mine, though I'll give it a try if it's served to me, just like everything else I've eaten), but there is no cruelty in doing so. All it is doing is using a resource that would otherwise be wasted.
Just because you don't eat a specific animal, is no reason why it is intrinsically disgusting.
Jews and Muslims won't eat pork - Loads of other do.
The British don't eat horse - the French do.
Americans don't eat dog - Koreans do.
Westerners don't eat insects - many others do: Witchetty grubs, locusts, grasshoppers.
Bird Spit? See birds nest soup.
etc., etc., etc.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I love bee vomit on toast.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Civet coffee, anyone?
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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The amount of Eastenders you have to force them to sit through before they hurl is just cruel.
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There are those who understand the difference between those species that we have made into pets (a word that means object of affection) and those that we have domesticated as a food supply - and there are those who don't. You have to pity the dullards, because there is no way to educate them.
“The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.” ~ Carl Sagan
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People have pet pigs, but I bet you still eat chops.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Dalek Dave wrote: People have pet pigs
Not for long if I can get a friendly butcher to help me with some pork.
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Grow your own Bacon?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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There's not much I can add to this debate that hasn't already been covered by the discussion here.
I'm a cat lover myself and thinking about eating a cat makes my skin crawl. However, I have many vegetarian friends who can't stand the thought of eating any animal. You can't judge other cultures and ways of living based on your values.
All I can say is: if you think the message should be removed then click the "vote to remove" link in the message.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: All I can say is: if you think the message should be removed then click the "vote to remove" link in the message.
Oh, yeah - I did. But I've never on any occasion experienced that that has ANY effect whatsoever, and other users have pointed out the same...
I'm very disappointed in you Chris. You've got it all wrong: A website is all about making statements - it's not a friggin democracy where you're the president.
1st of all: How about the kid sister rule? I sure as hell wouldn't want my kid sister or child or mother to find any links like the one in question on a page I thought was about programming. I don't care what is to be found "out there" on the internet, but if you link to it, you condone it.
And since I don't want to be a part of anything that has such a wrong view on whats acceptable and not, this will be the last post I'm making in any of your forums. Too bad, because I liked it here. But I'm sure that there are other programming forums that can benifit from my time...
This is not all: History has shown that you happily condone racist attacks against several folk groups, and I have noticed that people have left the site in anger because of that. It appears that that is okay with you too.
Maybe if you actualy had some balls and set up some rules for what people can write and what they can't, this would TRULY be a democratic site. But as it is now, it blatant hypocracy...
BYE
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Gotta run; I've got people to do and things to see...
Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Bye now, be sure to write.
But not about your zealotry and intolerance.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Johnny J. wrote: Oh, yeah - I did. But I've never on any occasion experienced that that has ANY effect whatsoever, and other users have pointed out the same...
Actually, it does, but enough people need to vote as abuse (I have on the basis of the KSS rule). Most people vote 1 thinking this is enough, but it has too little effect.
Johnny J. wrote: I'm very disappointed in you Chris. You've got it all wrong: A website is all about making statements - it's not a friggin democracy where you're the president.
Actually, by making it a democracy, I'd say he is making a statement, that democratic systems work, especially where the constituency is intellgent. Sometimes, this does throw out things that people disagree with.
Johnny J. wrote: 1st of all: How about the kid sister rule? I sure as hell wouldn't want my kid sister or child or mother to find any links like the one in question on a page I thought was about programming. I don't care what is to be found "out there" on the internet, but if you link to it, you condone it.
You are dead right about the KSS rule, but the lounge specifically isn't about programming. I don't agree that he is condoning the link, as the forum is public.
Johnny J. wrote: And since I don't want to be a part of anything that has such a wrong view on whats acceptable and not, this will be the last post I'm making in any of your forums. Too bad, because I liked it here. But I'm sure that there are other programming forums that can benifit from my time...
I've been hacked off here a few times, but only after I got used to the place. It's really worth persuing as many of the regulars are very helpful and knowledgable, and unlike some other sites there is more wheat than chaff.
Johnny J. wrote: Maybe if you actualy had some balls and set up some rules for what people can write and what they can't, this would TRULY be a democratic site. But as it is now, it blatant hypocracy...
No, it takes balls to do what he does, which is to accomodate different viewpoints to his own. This is in the best tradition of academic freedom as I see it. I've experience places where intellectual freedom is not exactly free, beleive me the consequences of the restrictions are terrible.
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Well Said.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Johnny - I'm sorry that you think that it's necessary to take such a position. The question I have for you though, is what you think should be done beyond the Vote to remove message link? You actually took the cowards way here by running to Chris to get him to remove the link rather than posting a reasoned argument on the thread explaining why others should vote to remove it. As others have pointed out to you, you are trying to impose your cultural viewpoint on others, and then you have the outright gall to play the racism card here; quite frankly, your hypocrisy is quite outstanding.
Now, quite frankly, you are acting like a spoiled brat. Chris has explained what your choice was, and shows admirable restraint in not deleting the link because he is not imposing his personal viewpoint on what should be talked about. Imagine, if Chris didn't like people talking about Apple products and started deleting all the threads that were about new phones; would you think that it was fair that Chris used his powers in this way. Now, you go too far when you say that Chris condones racism - I don't know the guy personally but I've been a regular long enough to have got to know what type of guy he really is, and I know that he is appalled when people stray into these areas, but again, he advises people what to do. Rather than treating this as a dictatorship, Chris encourages people to use their votes wisely and that's admirable. Now, I've had a couple of run ins with Chris over things that have been posted, but I've never felt the need to complain about his approach - I've just agreed to disagree with him. I certainly haven't behaved like a badly behaved 5 year old and thrown my toys out of the pram.
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You and the rest are completely missing the point. It IS - as you mention - to a certain part about cultural differences. But it's not that I want to "impose" my cultural viewpoints on others. It's about respect for your fellow man.
In my culture, eating cats is abominable - in your's it's ok. Fine.
Well, if the link had been about Canadians being boiled and flayed alive, then I would have found it ok. - or Australians - or Indians - or ENGLISHMEN (yum, yum)! That's ok with me because everybody knows that they're the scum of the Earth, so killing them would be an act of good.
Do you get my ironic point? If something is NOT ok from ONE cultural viewpoint, then it SHOULDN'T be ok to post it either - even though it IS ok from your point of view. Because it will upset and repulse certain users.
Hey, sleeping with your 12 year old sister is ok in Arkansas, let's post something about that here as well...
By saying that anything is ok to post because anything is ok with one culture or the other, then you WILL violate some peoples beliefs. That's not democracy - that's anarchy.
As for the Apple reference, I can only say that in my opinion it would be good if Chris WOULD censor that, because that crap is absolutely worthless.
As for the racism: As I've mentioned in another post, I've SEEN people being verbally abused based on their race - without Chris or anybody else from the CP interfering - I would say that's condoning in my opinion.
As for my response. As I said, I really like the CP, so I don't WANT to leave. But on the other hand: I don't want to browse the site either and risk finding links like this. It doesn't matter if it's in the lounge or in the back room or wherever it is. Stuff like that has no place on a site that's basically for programmers.
My opinion is as said that this is not a democratic replublic where Chris is the president. It's a website HE owns, and everything that's published on that - no matter if it's by himself or others - and not moderated - is HIS responsibility. And I don't think that he's living up to that responsibility by letting people run loose and do whatever they want.
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Gotta run; I've got people to do and things to see...
Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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In some cultures, belief in God is mandatory, or else they kill you.
But I am an Atheist who knows that anyone who believes in a Sky-Pixie needs their head examined.
What do you do then?
Ban all references to religion (My prefered choice) or ban people who aren't religious?
Or, better still, allow everyone to have the right to express themselves freely, but whom must accept that others will not agree with them, and when their viewpoint is attacked via argument, respond in the same manner rather than "I cannot counter your logical thought and intelligent ratiocination, so I will blow myself up on a bus full of innocent people"?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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I saw a great sticker the other day. "Atheism. A non-prophet organisation." Well, it made me laugh.
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