Re: Release of resources - System.Collections,Generic.List - C# Discussion Boards

Yes.

If Yes, Than why do we need to access pointer.
By Yes it Means these codes should be changed to MSIL and another thing CLR manages the memory for .Net Application. Then How these c++ variables are not managed without using the keyword fixed?

If I am wrong please correct me.

Abdul Rahaman Hamidy
Database Developer
Kabul, Afghanistan

Abdul Rahman Hamidy wrote:
these c++ variables

They're not "C++ variables"; they're still C#.

Well, I really didnt realized the fact.
when using Pointers It means we are accessing the Memory directory without any layer.
when c# statement It means we are not able to directly access the Memory there should a layer to provide access to memory.
when using the application is fast. specially in loops when I checked it.
but If it runs Under CLR then Y its faster than c# as It is managed by CLR.
Please correct me in my points.

Abdul Rahaman Hamidy
Database Developer
Kabul, Afghanistan

My understanding is...

If it's written in C#/CLR it's managed.
Unsafe doesn't mean unmanaged.
In an unsafe context you can write managed code that can access unmanaged things.

Abdul Rahman Hamidy wrote:
when using the application is fast. specially in loops

Yes, I hear that you can use unmanaged code to do that, but I expect it's better to write a DLL in C/C++ and then use an unsafe context to access that DLL.

But I could be wrong.

Hi There,

I have been running around on the net with regards to this question and i cannot seem to find a straight answer. I have created the following class with a list property which is of type System.Collections.Generic.List named "FFamily", one will note that i have also implemented the destructor to release the said list:

public class Person
{
private string FName;
private int FAge;
private List<person> FFamily;

public string Name
{
get { return FName; }
set { FName = value; }
}

public int Age
{
get { return FAge; }
set { FAge = value; }
}

public List<person> Family
{
get { return FFamily; }
}

public Person()
{
FFamily = new List<person>();
}

~Person()
{

FFamily.Clear();
}

//public static Comparison<person> AgeComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Age.CompareTo(P2.Age);
// };

//public static Comparison<person> NameComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Name.CompareTo(P2.Name);
// };
}

I have the following code on the main form to test the functionality:

Person Pers1 = new Person();
Pers1.Age = 24;
Pers1.Name = "Zemus";

Person Pers2 = new Person();
Pers2.Age = 2;
Pers2.Name = "Adrian";

Pers1.Family.Add(Pers2);

List<person> Lst1 = new List<person>();
Lst1.Add(Pers1);

foreach(Person PersTest in Lst1) {
MessageBox.Show(PersTest.Name);

foreach (Person PerTest2 in PersTest.Family)
{
MessageBox.Show(" - "+PerTest2.Name);
}
}

Lst1.Clear();

Now according to various articles on the internet it is not necessary to release any of the above mentioned lists and / or items be managed by the GC. I tried to see for myself whether this happens or not.

First thing i did was run the application and keep pressing the button to execute the code block over and over and watched the task manager and it kept on going up.

The second thing i did was call GC.Collect() and MessageBox.Show(GC.GetTotalMemory(false).ToString()) and i saw that the system would now and again drop this value (or do a collection I assume). Just before the count went down it would fire the destructor for the Person class and clear the Family list.

Now i want to know, considering the main list i am instantiating and considering that I am creating items with nested lists would the GC clean up the main list and all the "Person" objects with their "Family" lists? Do i not need to concern myself with the collection of these items? List does not need to implement "IDisposable" to be managed by the GC?

You see, i have many years of Delphi behind me where the creation and release of memory with respect to object instantiation was all explicit.

Thanks,

Anton

Perhaps some article to help clarify this process for you

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/bb985010.aspx[^]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0xy59wtx.aspx[^]

Yes, the GC will clean up these lists for you; however, since it is nondeterministic there is know way to tell when it happens.

~Person()
{
FFamily.Clear();
}

This isn't really necessary since the list is a managed object and will be deleted when the Person object falls out of scope and is marked for garbage collection.

only two letters away from being an asset

Firstly,
When posting code use either the <code></code> for inline code, or the <pre></pre> tags for code blocks (like yours).
so

public class Person
{
private List FFamily;

public string Name
{
get { return FName; }
set { FName = value; }
}

public Person()
{
FFamily = new List();
}

//public static Comparison AgeComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Age.CompareTo(P2.Age);
// };

//public static Comparison NameComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Name.CompareTo(P2.Name);
// };
}

becomes

public class Person
{
private List FFamily;

public string Name
{
get { return FName; }
set { FName = value; }
}

public Person()
{
FFamily = new List();
}


//public static Comparison AgeComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Age.CompareTo(P2.Age);
// };

//public static Comparison NameComparison =
// delegate(Person P1, Person P2)
// {
// return P1.Name.CompareTo(P2.Name);
// };
}

abosch2000 wrote:
Do i not need to concern myself with the collection of these items? List does not need to implement "IDisposable" to be managed by the GC?

For the most part in .NET, you don't need to implement the destructor or IDisposable, unless there are specific reasons for doing this (e.g. a connection of some sort must be closed, or disposal of child objects needs to take place ion a particular order etc).

You also rarely have to worry about garbage collection. Garbage collection is handled by the .NET framework automatically, any objects that are orphaned are disposed for you periodically. The method the framework uses to determine orphaned objects is quite complicated, but basically it boils down to (as I understand it), if an object is inaccessible from the call stack and is not in an object graph that is accessibile from a call stack, then it is considered orphaned. In the case of list items that have been cleared, the items themselves are orphaned as they no longer appear in the list's tree of objects (presuming there are no other references to the cleared items in other objects). This also happens when a class instance goes out of scope and is not referenced elsewhere.

The disadvantage of the .net framework's implicit collection mechanism is that you don't know exactly when it will happen, just that it happens periodically. In scenerios where memory is a a premium (e.g large numbers of, or very large, objects in the object graph) you might want an explicit Garbage Collection, but more often than not the automatic collection is fine.

Hope this helps.

CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!)

can anyone help me by providing "COX" algorithm

modified on Friday, September 25, 2009 11:31 AM

Not like this. Please remove the caps, I may reconsider helping you.

Ok, this page[^] might be of interest to you
I don't know much more than that page already says though

That was just silly.

Everything makes sense in someone's mind

Yea I know Smile | :)

No worries.

I use a few different forums, and here on CodeProject ppls seems to be more anal about style and format
than other places.

One common response you see here alot is, "Did you Google it???". I'm thinking, either Yes they did Google it
and were led here, or No they didn't and don't wanna spend alot of time search through Google results. This is
an answer forum and when you ask a question you're hoping for a direct answer. Know what I mean?

Everything makes sense in someone's mind

I see your point, but unlike other forums, the majority of users here want to improve the abilities of the people who ask the questions (Providing they are willing to learn). Nobody is going to get better if all they have to do is ask somebody else for the answer then go and copy/paste the code.

People who are not willing to attempt something themselves are people who quite frankly shouldn't even consider being programmers. Too many people think it's easy money and thus cause problems for the whole industry.

It gets very annoying when a question appears where the first result of a google search for their subject line provides all the information they could possibly need. That's how you know when you have a lazy unwilling 'Programmer' and they're the type who need to be shot down (not literally).

I actually spend a fair bit of time on here trying to help people, and am more than happy to help someone who is struggling with a new concept but has actually tried to do it for themselves first.

Anyway, that's my opinion, and I am sure it's not to everyone's liking, but who would complain? A willing learner? I think not

Life goes very fast. Tomorrow, today is already yesterday.

Ya, I agree with you. Too many people want the quick & easy and not have to work for it.

Everything makes sense in someone's mind

Yea I know, but the experience has been that they really haven't googled it and that giving the first link from google makes them say "omg thanks man!"
Which is just a waste of everyone's time really..

And then there is also Liquid Nitrogen[^] Smile | :)

Agreed

Everything makes sense in someone's mind

And also LMGTFY which is both helpful and annoying!

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KMAROIS wrote:
I use a few different forums, and here on CodeProject ppls seems to be more anal about style and format
than other places.

True, but it even says in the FAQs/Stickies to place code in the relevant tags, otherwise most people won't even bother to read it.

KMAROIS wrote:
One common response you see here alot is, "Did you Google it???". I'm thinking, either Yes they did Google it
and were led here, or No they didn't and don't wanna spend alot of time search through Google results. This is
an answer forum and when you ask a question you're hoping for a direct answer. Know what I mean?

From some of the posts, it is pretty obvious the OP hasn't even been bothered to Google it (in whcih case why should we? Or, often, they just want a peice of code they can copy and paste (in which case I want commision Smile | :)

).

Generally I want to help people improve their knowledge, but poor posts take up time and effort to read, and put people off helping.

CCC solved so far: 2 (including a Hard One!)

Have you tried here[^]

only two letters away from being an asset

Giving you the answer is not going to help you in the long run. Have you attempted anything yourself, do you even know what a 'COX' algorithm is? I don't by the way, so don't expect an answer from me

Life goes very fast. Tomorrow, today is already yesterday.

i just want d working ........of cox algorithm and how it can be used to encrypt file and perform compression

From what I know about it, it doesn't do either. It's for steganography.

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how can i setup my SQL server 2008 data base in computer that does not have SQL server?