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Marcos Meli wrote: Anyway, not is this poll a bit OT ??
No. CP is all about Windows technologies.
Marcos Meli wrote: This is a developer site, and the poll dont said nothing about the WinVista API only the external features, so if we talk about external features so Beryl is a good candidate for fight with it.
The new UI is just a tiny part of the new features in Vista, so beryl can be compared only to Avalon.
Marcos Meli wrote: MONO is getting better and better
.NET is just a framework. Windows (and many other MS products) provide an incredibly complete and consistent application platform, that allow you to develop any kind of product with a pretty small set of integrated tools.
Does Mono (and any other Linux-related technology) provide such an advanced platform? I think not.
BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now.
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Dario Solera wrote: No. CP is all about Windows technologies.
Did you check the upper left banner or the categories, this is clearly a developers site.
Dario Solera wrote: The new UI is just a tiny part of the new features in Vista, so beryl can be compared only to Avalon.
I agree here with you, and beryl can only compete in 3 of the poll points: the GUI, the Usability and the Sidebar
Dario Solera wrote: Marcos Meli wrote:
MONO is getting better and better
.NET is just a framework. Windows (and many other MS products) provide an incredibly complete and consistent application platform, that allow you to develop any kind of product with a pretty small set of integrated tools.
Does Mono (and any other Linux-related technology) provide such an advanced platform? I think not.
BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now.
You are right we are going completely off topic, but is the spirit of the site to discuss about what we think, I think that we target the OS via an API, now mostly of us are using .NET to do so, i.e. we consume the OS features via the .NET API and I know of a lot of Apps that the .NET binary compiled in windows run on linux (if the app dont use Win32 calls)
So I think that MONO is helping to fill the gap in the Linux dev world.
And the last thing:
Dario Solera wrote: BTW, this is the problem of Linux: inconsistency and fragmentation. But we're really OT now
I was thinking that for years, but now I see a bit clear the inconsistency and fragmentation is the bad schedule, performance and promises that we hear from M$ they said:
"We will build a completely managed OS"
"We will create a OS with a new FS"
"Our operation system will be hard to crack"
"Our operation system will the most secure in the world"
So where is the inconsistency ??
Sorry for talk in that way, I´m a bit bad in english, and I hate Vista so so much that I cant resist to post that.. sorry.
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Marcos Meli wrote: Did you check the upper left banner
did YOU???
THE CODE PROJECT TM
Your Visual Studio (r) and
.Net Resource
In otherwords... Microsoft Development. Yes, others are here as "side development issues", though you are likely to loose even the OT and non-MS discussions if you advertise in the MS discussions. I am cross-platform, but I don't bring the Linux discussions here, only the Windows discussions. I take the Linux discussions where they will do me the most good for my project -- as apposed to taking the discussion where you will just make everyone annoyed at you.
There is a can of RAID around here somewhere.... hmmmmm
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: did YOU???
THE CODE PROJECT TM
Your Visual Studio (r) and
.Net Resource
I was wanting to said that this site is for Windows Developers !! This poll is not for developers. I´m not the unique saying that, check a bit up in the other thread =(
The problem was that Dario said: "No. CP is all about Windows technologies." and so I remark the "development" part.
Anyway sorry to the people that dont want this, I´m a WinXp fan !! and ex Microsoft fan, but Vista is too much for me. I´m an open source .Net developer, so I only post my opinion here I dont frequent linux boards, so this is a good place to post that for me.
Sorry for my english, but what means RAID ?
Maybe all us need another choice in the Poll, something like:
"I dont use vista" or "I dont like vista so I dont use it"
Best Regards
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Marcos Meli wrote: Anyway sorry to the people that dont want this, I´m a WinXp fan !! and ex Microsoft fan, but Vista is too much for me. I´m an open source .Net developer, so I only post my opinion here I dont frequent linux boards, so this is a good place to post that for me.
I think many people have said they are fans of XP. As developers, however, many of us cannot tell our customers "never buy vista, we won't support you, go jump in a lake, we hate it." Sure, you can post that rant in a forum here, but if your customers force you, you go. Some are proactive, we know our customers will eventually go because they have a contract with MS to provide software for a very long time. Currently that means Vista. Given a choice between continuing to work, or finding another job, I work.... That may be a different choice in the open source community, I only do that in my free time.
Marcos Meli wrote: so I only post my opinion here
There is a saying about what you shouldn't do in a swimming pool that comes to mind, but I expect that its meaning would be lost. So, leave it with, don't insult the primary function of a board with secondary interests. It is wonderful you can have .Net under Linux, Mono is nice, but it still isn't the primary function of this board, which is Microsoft Technology driven development. When the board changes, then we change, or go elsewhere. 
Marcos Meli wrote: Sorry for my english, but what means RAID ?
A very, very, very bad joke. I run RAID servers (Redundant Array of Independant Disks), and Raid is also a product for spraying insects.
Marcos Meli wrote: Maybe all us need another choice in the Poll, something like:
"I dont use vista" or "I dont like vista so I dont use it"
That was a while back. Check all the previous polls[^]
-> Do you plan to use Vista's new APIs in your applications?
-> When will you upgrade to Vista?
-> Vista has gone Gold. Are you excited?
etc. If we asked the same question every week, it would be a pretty boring place...
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ok so. But is not my customers what I must defend I must defend my sanity !! :P . Maybe is better to live with peace of mind that with money :P just my latin view :P
Maybe I have a completely different vision from here in Argentina, I dont thing that my customers go so fat, in fact near all the enterprises in argentina run Windows 2000 in the workstations and some 2003 in the servers, the win vista is a lot of cost for the users fun, i.e. I dont think that the managers feel that buying WinVista they get better productivity, only more time playing the solitarie :P
You are right maybe when someone feels that dont fit in any place must go away, I will keep it in mind.
My last word is a new sorry, and I will try to learn to write in english :P (maybe my words dont sound good) and to dont be so pasionate about what I think
Nice to talk to you.
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I’m an avid windows (techie) user since version 3.1 besides other OS’s; After using Vista with my new laptop I just wanted to ask Microsoft what you guys were thinking giving this cursed GUI,performance and all thaat pop up windows. It is a no no and I’m going back to XP/Windows 2003. Your Damn Security
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A graphical polish does not an OS make.
(And I've tried Beryl. It is pretty but largely just a graphics demo at this point.)
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote: And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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I heared many things About localize vista by "Microsoft local builder Tool" , But i can't find any tools in microsoft website or , Windows vista package .
Is it really ? 
With Best Regards.
Saeed tabrizi
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Jetli
Constant Thing In World Is Change.
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Jetli Jerry wrote: Vista not used yet
In my case: Never seen Vista, except some screenshots
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1 = horrible, 5 = fantastic.
Aero and the new Desktop Window Manager: Avg = 5.60
The improvements to Explorer and the Shell: Avg = 5.40
That is really really really fantastic. 
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Duan Yu wrote: That is really really really fantastic.
Shog... stop playing around!!! 
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Preview pane and preview handlers are my current favorite
Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.
Vista? Photoshop Preview Handler here
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Desktop switching would be handy (i.e. enable it as an advanced feature). So you would be able to have separate apps open on each desktop - e.g. work on different projects without cluttering up the taskbar. There's a powertoy for this on XP, not sure about Vista 
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
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i would like more speed, less bulk, more compatibility and not less, same price, internet explorer as a fully independent app, and the list could go on for a week or so
vista, imo, is one of the worst releases of windows, and i hope they realize it and dont do it ever again
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1. WinFS. This was always my #1 wish and I was very disappointed when it didn't make RTM
2. A clean, consistent interface. Aero is truly appalling and the work they did to make desktop apps look like web apps is ridiculous. Web app interfaces are cool because they do so much with so little. Desktop interfaces have so much freedom to be so much better. Make IE better so that webapps work like desktop apps. Don't try and make my desktop Web 2.0.
Stop trying to be clever and start actually being clever with UI design.
3. Simplified menus. That does not mean "bury choices under Yet Another Layer of Dialogs". That means: expose options more clearly. Get rid of all the fluff and present a single, common set of tabbed pages where I can configure how Windows works
4. No UAC.
5. The XP start menu. I have no idea what sort of strange idea it was to make the start menu cumbersome and klunky.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: 3. Simplified menus. That does not mean "bury choices under Yet Another Layer of Dialogs". That means: expose options more clearly. Get rid of all the fluff and present a single, common set of tabbed pages where I can configure how Windows works
In 1998, i was using Star Office on Gnome. Both used the brilliantly simple technique of bringing up all properties relevant to whatever you had selected when you asked for it. For instance: selecting properties for the desktop let you change everything from wallpaper to how windows behaved when you clicked on them. Selecting properties for a paragraph let you change everything from the font, to indentation, to borders and background shading...
I use this example because MS seems to like to "try out" new UI concepts in Office prior to bringing them into Windows. If Office 2007 is any indication, future Windows UIs will have even more disparate dialogs, grouped by the rather nebulous concept of "task", and triggered by an ever-growing army of "advanced..." links.
So, uh, yeah. Time to start writing your own Fileman... 
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
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