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Chris Maunder wrote: That's weird.
 The typical programmers response to a bug report. I have been known to utter that phrase myself on more than one occasion.
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Happens to both IE and FF on two different machines; one running Win2k the other running XP. I even nuked the Pwd Mgr stuff on FF, thinking that was messing with it ... but that didn't do it.
They will take the user name/password, but the system never actually logs me on ... (i.e, name doesn't show at top of screen, if I try to browse for a user, I get the "can't show picture unless you're logged in)
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Is there something upstream of you caching pages, cookies or other content? Do you have web optimisation stuff installed? Your router? Your work / ISPs systems?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Sorry it took me so long to reply: No Web Optimization stuffs. Same router I've had for ages, and never had a problem with it before. Can't rule out ISP (it's COMCast) ...
I'll double check my settings on both FF and IE tonight, when I'm at home ... I'll also try downloading Opera and see if it happens there too. Since it's happening to both FF and IE, I figured the problem lies elsewhere (either on the server or a local disk file) ... hadn't considered my router or ISP ... so I'll check my router first ...
It is odd, I have no problem getting to the site, viewing pages, etc... just can't sign in.
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What about implementing a system where new users / new registrations must have their first 100 posts in the lounge approved? This way trolls can register 1000 new ID's and will never have their posts seen publicly if it's a troll post. This would be so easy to do because there's not a deluge of posts in the lounge (and the number by trolls is even less) if there were 20 posts a day that would be a heavy day. Chris could find 10 people who are available. They get an email that a new post is in the lounge. It's only visible to users in the 'Approver' group. If the post is totally fine a single click and poof it's visible.
If a post is made that is questionable there's another button that can be clicked that promotes the process to guys who have delete powers. I cannot delete I can only approve or I can promote a post to the point where someone with delete/move powers can take the right action based upon the content and their experience here.
This would be a low-burden solution as you should be able to find plenty of people who can "approve" a post. You keep your regular admins (people already granted move/delete) as they are and they get involved when/if an approver flags a new post up to them.
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code-frog wrote: new registrations must have their first 100 posts in the lounge approved?
who is going to do the "approval" and where do the posts "stack up" until approved? I've been a moderator in a number of forums before and babysitting new user posts is not a low-burden solution. that means one or more people has to read each and every new-user posts in the lounge from n-number of postees. Not always fun.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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If you're already registered and haven't been put on "probation" which would reset your count. Then you post freely and nobody has to approve.
If you are a new registration or have been put on probation then your posts need approval. So far today no posts in the lounge would need any approval and nobody would need to have been email notified.
Finding 10 or so people to do this would be cake. I'm watching the lounge all day long by RSS and I could probably get at any of them almost instantly and not even bat an eye at having to. I'd be quite happy to do this.
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code-frog wrote: So far today no posts in the lounge would need any approval and nobody would need to have been email notified.
As I am sure Chris knows, these things tend to happen in "surges". Forum moderation is easy 90% of the time, with almost no effort, then that last 10% can just zap hours at a time. All it takes is one persistant and particularly nasty troll to REALLY discourage a moderator by destroying his time for the day. Then you have fewer people to help. Forum moderation is generally a low turn-over, but continuous turn-over.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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A nasty troll would be nasty for anyone. Right now someone has to:
A. Be notified of a bad post.
B. Go find it.
C. Delete it. Which may cause thread/message problems.
My solution would be simple. "Approve" with a click or "Flag" with a click. At this point nobody has seen the message to be able to reply to it including the troll. They don't have a clue what's going on behind the scenes they just know their message hasn't appeared. They can try again and again. The net result is that while I'm there I click the "Flag" 5 times instead of 1 time. A moderator comes by later and simply kills the posts before anything happens to cause thread / message problems or anything else. My guess is that it would nix programming questions to.
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code-frog wrote: My solution would be simple.
I am not disagreeing in principle, the concept is good. I just think you are being a bit optimistic in saying it would be "simple" "easy" etc. It will be realy easy 9 out of 10 days and be a royal pain in the ... err ... neck on the 10th. 
It is a reasonable idea, I just think that labeling it as "easy" would give the approval-volunteers an unreasonable expectation. The 90/10 or 80/20 rule still applies depending on if you are optimistic or pessimistic.
All in all it is up to the CP programmers still to build-in the approval and hide-message system which would be some work behind the scenes. Then find some volunteers to handle the approval system.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I have to agree about the 90/10 rule cropping it's head here. In another forum we have an ongoing problem with a persistant troll who manages to avoid ISP bans every few weeks. The current software makes setting a new one easy enough, but that person is a continual headache for the moderators.
Fortunately he's not technically literate enough to use something like Tor to continually spoof his IP.
Edit: Hit post too soon.
Also related to the 90/10 issue, most of the time the moderators burden is fairly low, but once or twice a year there's a major blowup over something that turns contentious enough that one or more moderators end up resigning rather than repeating the experiance.
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Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Approvers are not moderators. So selecting approvers wouldn't require as much care. All they can do is approve a message or promote it to a moderators attention.
Approvers can only "Approve" releasing the message to the public or "Flag" for further evaluation by moderators who would have to look at it anyway if it was Spam or Abuse.
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why only the Lounge ?
the guy i shown off spammed only articles message boards
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If the idea has merit and people like it then Chris can do it wherever he wants. The lounge would be a good proving ground. If it's manageable in the lounge then it would be very manageable anywhere else as the lounge is definitely the hotbed for this stuff.
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On forums other that the Lounge some people might want a quick reply, and putting the delay just causes a bad impression/unnecessary inconvenience to the poster. It is quite likely the person will not come back.
Also there will be timezone issues, so there might be sufficient volunteers during US/European/Australian day, but Asian posters might have to wait a few hours before their posts show up.
As a general rule, it is advisable
not to volunteer for anything that requires more than a constant time.
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Basically there is a default flag for new users and a flag for any user that breaks the rules. This flag is "Probation" if you are a new user your first 100 posts have to be approved. If you pass the 100 post rule without getting any rejected you are in. You stay on probation though until you have 100 with no problems.
If you are a current member and you have been reported as "Abuse / Spam" on 3 separate occurrences by 3 or more people you are now on "Probation" and either an admin or a stored procedure could do this.
The only posts needing approval would be those by "New Members" or "Probate Members" and only in the lounge. So you have to understand we might be talking about 20 messages or so a week total. There would be almost no burden at all to "approvers".
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I would rather people are considered innocent until proven guilty. Their probation flag is set to false until they mess up (regardless of how many posts). Then their posts need approval for the next N posts
And then they just create a new account.
Nah. I like new people coming to CodeProject and giving us their 2c. I don't want people having to make an investment in us so that we get the benefit of their (potentially breif) company as they breeze on through our part of town.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I happen to agree with this, and I for one wouldn't want to have to monitor the first 100 posts of every new visitor. There's millions of them. 
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The best troll management is to simply not reply to them. They will soon get bored. The resident trolls are probably reading this thread right now and laughing their fool heads off. They got another one.
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PJ Arends wrote: The best troll management is to simply not reply to them. They will soon get bored. The resident trolls are probably reading this thread right now and laughing their fool heads off. They got another one.
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So true.
Just try to imagine the agony of a troll who spent some time to think of a mischief, created a new thread and then keeps refreshing the page waiting for replies but not one arrives.;P
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why don't we put request delete and mark as troll
if a user posted a matter not acceptable for lounge any body can request delete to the message poster with it all subsequent messages should be deleted
and a user is continuously getting that and not deleting his posts then admins can mark him as troll and that member will not be able to post message in that particular forum for a period of time which will increase on repetition
It is Good to be Important but!
it is more Important to be Good
[My Question]
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I just posted an article[^] about Windows Workflow Foundation but there wasn't a WF category to put it into. Might you please add that category and then put my article into it? I'd appreciate it.
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Done[^]
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Thanks Chris. I think that the new category is misplaced, though. WF is part of .NET 3.0 -- so it should be a sub-category under the "Vista / .NET 3.0" category, like WPF and WCF are. Agreed?
Thanks again!
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