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Slacker007 wrote: so they don't have to eat everything on their plate
I would say, they can chose to what to eat, but the moment they picked and put on their plate - they have to eat it...
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That is a brilliant point about being materially better off, I find it very hard to be a Dad and our kids turn there nose up at food and rigorously complaining about thing after thing. We were content with a football, bike and some woods to play in!!!
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Pom Pey wrote: but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining
"D-a-a-a-a-a-d, I'm Hungry"
"Hi hungry, I'm dad".
Problem solved at the nth iteration.
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I used to go with the 'Hi Hungry Im Dad'
Now I say 'Czech the fridge'
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Pom Pey wrote: Now I say 'Czech the fridge'
Noted, for when No.1 son is old enough to know where the Czech Republic is.
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I still remember When we had the whole neighborhood as the play area. we would be "inventing" games or we modify the game of cricket ( with a stick and plastic bottle) and play all day long.
But now my kids need a proper game and environment.
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Interesting question, especially omitting the tech changes, which affect just about every aspect of life.
1 - Education. I went to public schools for the most part, hated it, learned crap that was useless, unlearned it as fast as possible, and in high school I realized I didn't even have to bother learning it. Yeah, I barely graduated.  Conversely, my son went to Waldorf school K-12, learned amazing artistic skills, learned how to be a critical thinker, and had (for the most part) a much more rounded social experience.
2 - D&D. I know you said "ignoring the obvious technology changes" but I played pen & paper D&D, and it was quite fun playing online D&D with my son. Though he also glommed onto the books and did the pen & paper version too.
3 - The Cold War. I grew up thinking about (and having nightmare dreams of) nuclear war. It was different for my son. Let's hope it stays that way.
4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's.
5 - Recycling. As a kid, say what? As my son growing up, he was very aware of recycling.
6 - Health care. As a kid, you just trusted the doctor knew what he was doing. When I was a parent, the whole world of health changed, from alternative medicines (some legitimate, some obvious quackery), questioning vaccinations, etc.
7 - Food. As a kid, "organic" -- what??? My son grew up eating organic food, grass fed beef, free range chicken (really free range, not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.)
That's a few.
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Marc Clifton wrote: 4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's.
Yeah if you ignore the toxic rivers and lakes, acid rain, over fishing and myriad other environmental problems we had (and yes, still have) back then. The reason why business like global warming is (1) it's a lot harder to follow the stench up stream to an singular source, and (2) with carbon credit bullshit not only they can buy their way out but come out looking like good world citizens.
The thing is dislike (not disagree) with global climate change is that it's making a lot of other very real (and in some cases worse) invisible, OIOW: let's continue dumping sh*t in the sea because everybody's looking up at the sky anyway. (And when they do look down at the dying sea what's the first thing they blame? FFFS)
It's the biggest ever cover up, and more than half the world has bought it. Stupid FiretrUKS.
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You totally missed his f***ing point. He didn't want to harp on it, he just wanted to mention it.
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Yeah, given I had limited time this morning to reply, things like deforestation, extinction, the loss of 50% of large mammals, toxic dumps, pesticides, pollution, 4x (I think) more people on the planet, etc., didn't get on the list.
Nor did things like our further understanding of the cosmos, the last lunar walk, the space shuttles and IIS, the Mars probes, Cassini, etc., all of which differentiate the things I grew up knowing vs. the things my son grew up knowing.
I do suppose though that while I remember all the media coverage of Watergate, my son gets to experience all the media coverage of "Trumpgate", in all the various forms that seems to take place almost daily. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: 4 - Climate change / global warming.
Growing up in the 70s, I was told I had to worry about global cooling.
Then in the 80s it was acid rain.
Then in the 90s it was the ozone layer.
Then in the 2000s it was global warming.
Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer everywhere. It also nicely encapsulates the cooling we were talking about in the 70s, thus ensuring that Al Gore can claim he was correct no matter what happens.
Marc Clifton wrote: It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject,
Based on what I've seen, I'd say this much is correct.
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dandy72 wrote: Then in the 80s it was acid rain.
And they did something about it and the damn forests stopped dying and the crystal clear dead lakes started to have live fish, again. And the buildings and such stopped corroding quite so fast. And the paint on your pickup stopped fading and buckling.
dandy72 wrote: Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer everywhere
Global warming is only the view from space - locally we get climate changes - like we've been seeing. Bigger storms: the warmth warms the seas . . . more rain, bigger hurricanes, more snow.
Worse every year -
Our planet is a test tube. Energy comes in on the sunny side, dissipates on the dark side. It reaches a (dynamic) steady state. We've been changing the contents of the reactants for years now, putting much ancient carbon back into the atmosphere. The contents of the test tube are going to react differently. THAT is for sure. Making fun of Al Gore won't change an ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) about it. So - go to your sources; ask them, or figure out for yourself, how the new reactant will adjust to the new composition, and report back to us.
For, you see, science itself follows natural laws - and all the political arguments in the world have no effect since, well , the universe just isn't listening.
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here we go....
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Really nothing to worry about - another Krakatoa type event and things will cool down really quickly.*
But really - somethings got to happen - so I'm willing to listen to anything rational that takes into account the changes in that test-tube. That search for a balance between heat in and heat out is (from a human point of view) forever. So - in a bird-based analogy, but when determining what the future holds, how does one avoid being Chicken Little without, instead, becoming an Ostrich?
* I decided to opt out of "nuclear winter", although it's starting to look like no one cares.
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I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I just get a little irked whenever I hear we're threatened with extinction, while the global population is actually still very much on the rise. And if we just let things continue the way they are, well, it seems to me it's being portrayed as a problem that will solve itself in the long run without any input from us. 
(Studying geology while in university really made me a cynic on this topic)
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W∴ Balboos wrote: And they did something about it and the damn forests stopped dying and the crystal clear dead lakes started to have live fish, again. And the buildings and such stopped corroding quite so fast. And the paint on your pickup stopped fading and buckling.
What?
What about taking the entire family down to the river to watch it burn? Precious memories gone forever!
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Marc Clifton wrote: Recycling. As a kid, say what?
I'd have to disagree there: we recycled bottles (1d deposit on each one!), cardboard boxes (no bags from the supermarket in those days - you packed your goods into boxes that the product arrived at the shop in).
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My mother had a wheeled box-like bag a bit like modern travelling luggage that we towed behind us to the supermarket (empty) and back home (full and wobbly). If you said "shopping bag", that's what came to mind.
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I remember those! Weren't they always Tartan for no obvious reason?
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Marc Clifton wrote: not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.
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Everything!
I could play outside for hours with friends or on my own. I put thousands of miles on my bicycle, sometimes going 50 miles away from home just to see the countryside and get fresh air - often with my elder brother but later entirely by myself or with a couple of friends. My mother didn't seem to worry as long as I made it home for meals. We had no TV until I was 10 and that was rented especially to watch the moon landing.
A stick made a great toy. Now it has to be something named and marketed as something "cool". D&D came along when I was in college (pen and paper only; there were only two rule books). AD&D came later.
I wasn't restricted in my internet use because home computers didn't exist and neither did the internet! Computers were large things with spinning tapes and banks of flashing lights (in the movies only).
Men had not yet walked on the moon but I looked forward to my chance to work on one of the many future moon-bases! I *knew* that when I grew up I would have my own flying car and/or possibly a personal jet-pack to get around in.
I could go on for hundreds of pages about the differences...
Was it better back then? Hmmm.... Not sure, really.
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AD&D? We always translated that as Absolut Dumm & Dämlich.
I will not translate that here, but we used to play it anyway. 
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Kind of a rehash of others:
Playing outside all day, with friends, and no "play dates". Parent's not worrying where we were. Neighbors sitting in front of their houses (or in apartments, downstairs) - and you can just visit someone without an appointment. Playing baseball using sewers and manholes as bases, taping up a worn ball with electricians tape because we didn't have money to buy a new one.
But, then, those good times were "for us" - lots of people in those time were treated really badly for no fault of their own - just being born the wrong type.
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They've traveled far more than I did at the same age.
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About 43 years.
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