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DaveAuld wrote: Well, I have given up trying to mess about with the video software any longer
Yeah, I can see that... 
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Excellent! I love great camping trips like this, and try to get out at least once a month, or every other month. A great resource for finding places to explore is the Expedition Portal[^].
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Yes , that's what they are calling it!
Microsoft is on a roll! 
And the other ones :
"Machine Learning" is just about Data mining under new skin.
"Internet of Things" - We called it embedded systems half a century back?
And there's so many of them!
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Vunic wrote: And the other ones :
"Machine Learning" is just about Data mining under new skin.
"Internet of Things" - We called it embedded systems half a century back?
Not Really - Well, No.
Machine Learning may only use data mining coincidentally. Look up AI, or more specifically, Neural Networks.
Internet of Things - is more than embedded systems; it's embedded systems that also have an connection to the internet - and thus other embedded systems (and hackers).
Although these two are certainly now buzzwords, you description seems well off the mark.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: that also have an connection to the internet
This means I've been working with Internet of things from the 2000's.
It still doesn't justify such a blown out marketing campaigns about IoT.
To me it just feels equivalent to giving a new fancy name like "Visuals of Things" to an embedded system just because you connected it to a display unit.
Adding network connectivity is just like that right? It's just a feature answering a requirement in that product / project. I'd like to ask - Is there any ONE thing that IoT does today, we couldnt have done it with 'Embedded systems' of 1990s?
Almost all devices we developed with embedded OS did connect to the network. Even before the concept of IoT thee were fleet management systems with so many devices synching status in high volumes.
I'm very sure the IoT drumbeats are not worth it. I'm not saying the domain is scope-less. Of course we got a plethora of hardwares & platforms available now. But you could have very well continued with the same old name - "Embedded systems".
In the name of IoT, more things are actually done in the server than on the device!.
I attended a Microsoft Azure IoT event. An year back. They were showing off a lot of advanced features of Azure. (I do love Azure). As they continued to explain about high-volume data ingestion from devices & so on, I stopped and checked with the presenter, what feature in Azure exactly deals with the device? The answer was just The message ingestion system. Which is purely a server feature  . Even there's no separate IoT protocol existed. It was just using HTTP calls. There's nothing on the platform that in specific to an 'IoT' device. What the devices could do with the Azure messaging services, you could still do that from a normal computer connected to the internet. It's just a message processing system. This was an year back.
W∴ Balboos wrote: Machine Learning may only use data mining coincidentally. Look up AI, or more specifically, Neural Networks.
Machine learning and data mining often employ the same methods and overlap significantly, but while machine learning focuses on prediction, based on known properties learned from the training data, data mining focuses on the discovery of (previously) unknown properties in the data (this is the analysis step of Knowledge Discovery in Databases). Data mining uses many machine learning methods, but with different goals; on the other hand, machine learning also employs data mining methods as "unsupervised learning" or as a preprocessing step to improve learner accuracy. Much of the confusion between these two research communities (which do often have separate conferences and separate journals, ECML PKDD being a major exception) comes from the basic assumptions they work with: in machine learning, performance is usually evaluated with respect to the ability to reproduce known knowledge, while in Knowledge Discovery and Data Mining (KDD) the key task is the discovery of previously unknown knowledge. Evaluated with respect to known knowledge, an uninformed (unsupervised) method will easily be outperformed by other supervised methods, while in a typical KDD task, supervised methods cannot be used due to the unavailability of training data.
Machine learning - Wikipedia[^]
Do we have to strain this much? It takes so much effort to differentiate the two 'technologies'.
As I said, yes there would be technological updates. But we could have simply called it Data Mining 2.0 & Embedded Systems 2.0, just like how the handful of new updates in Web was called Web 2.0.
Even giving new names to technologies is fine. but making blatant campaigns as if it's a totally new technology looks so childish.
One of the old embedded system companies here in India, have completely re-worded their product /services portfolio just doing a Find & Replace of "Embedded system" & "IoT". Same old products, nothing changed. but they are now an IoT company and beating the drums.
And for the record sake, Micorosoft's own Machine Learning expert (I forgot his name) Shouted it loud enough saying not to get fussed with 'Machine Learning', as it's just the same old Data mining in new skin. Of course there's some flavors & layers added. He was pointing to Azure ML.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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I'm taking my partner for her 50th birthday to Rome tomorrow. We'll be there till next Tuesday for a few days sightseeing. It's my first trip to Italy so really looking forward to it. Hoping to visit the Vatican, Colosseum and Trevi Fountain to name a few things we want to see.
Try to behave yourselves in my absence and I'll see you all when I get back 
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Have a good time!
But whatever you do, don't drive... 
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We'll be either walking or using public transport
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Dominic Burford wrote: using public transport
Good luck!
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But I thought in Italy the trains ran on time! 
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Definitely: they used to run against the Perfida Albione.
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Good luck and come back alive!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Walking is possible, public transport (buses) tend to be sick making!
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The only city where I've seen cars (Smart cars, Fiat500 mini & micro car) parked at 90' to the pavement between larger more sensibly parked cars. Rush hour from my area resembled a chariot race with motors...
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I'm heading there next week - also my first visit.
If all roads lead to Rome, why do all their street signs start with "Via" ?
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: If all roads lead to Rome, why do all their street signs start with "Via" ?
"Via" means "Get a move on!", which is the national requirement for driving styles.
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All Italians drive fully expecting every other road user to give way in deference to their driving ability!
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Because they lead to Rome from somewhere else.
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Good luck getting past all the selfie-stick and cr@p tour sellers.
Oh, and if you want to visit the historic ruins, near the Coliseum, don't carry anything bigger than a wedding-ring box with you.
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When in Rome, ... go to a Roman orgy. Have fun!
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Have a good time.
On Sunday, if you see a middle aged man running nearby the Colosseum, well.., it's me.
modified 18-Nov-16 8:35am.
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Keep your eyes open because it's full of muggers and don't trust any tourist guide that you haven't booked from accredited agencies beforehand!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Fastest pickpockets in the world, and there's boatloads of them
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the "Any" key may be continuate
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Rome is that kind of city where you get amazed just by simply walking in the streets.
It is busy yes, but like every capital city.
Enjoy the city and the food (i recommend having a good "Matriciana" in Trastevere) and don't bother to give credit to all those saying that it is dangerous and crazy over there.
These old cliches are carried on by those who never got out from their teeny town and still believe in Santa Claus
Enjoy, i envy you
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