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"No One Expects the Unexpected!"
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Experienced it, way back in college. When I'm on my educational game project (for PC), one of my classmates accidentally tripped on the lappie's charger, then poof! I lost an hour of work?!
After that, I taught myself to save everything after I've done some modifications in my projects, Even just a line of code. My classmates thought I'm an OC. 
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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Quote: Most students believe they don't get value for money at university
Those that think it's true probably do not get value indeed!
The problem is that learning is not about getting answers only, but to be able to come up with questions that can lead us to a better word! For that one have to understand!!!
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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They probably shouldn't have interviewed the students skipping class.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Why pay for something when you can get it for free:
Quote: “It may be some lecturers are still providing the information that the students can get online and they’re not providing the opportunity for challenge and debate after you’ve accessed the material,” he added.
And we also have a Q&A here as many other web sites have, so no need for teachers in the future perhaps?
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Well, there's always room for teachers teaching you spelling and grammar, because it's clear as hell that you can't learn that off the internet!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Guess the article writer is a former student then:
Quote: Universities Minister David Willetts said the research showed universities were beginning to take action to provide better quality teaching for students but students but added: “It is not enough and there is still more to do.”
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Quote Most students believe they don't get value for money at university.
Good now we know who not to hire. Let's talk to the others. In fact a perfect interview question - "Did you get value out of your university course?"
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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No, no - QA is how they pass their exams. They don't appear to learn anything there... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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They're optimizing the Return On Investment; getting as much as possible with the least effort. I'd say that they're learning - what benefit would it have to become an underpaid expert? It's not like we're being measured in terms of knowledge or actual productivity.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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There have been courses where I thought that, but in general I believe they are wrong.
Wrong enough that I'm planning to go back to university a second time and get some more of that value they think isn't there.
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Good stuff!
There just seems to be this attitude that everything is online for immediate access when needed. And to be fair it is. But to me the idea of a University is setting the course, laying out what you're going to be learning, teaching, tutoring etc. and finally evaluating how well the students have done. Hopefully they'll come out with a breadth of learning about their chosen subject.
What if you applied this thinking to medical students? Yep, we'll just consult Wikipedia before we whip that toe off.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Rob Philpott wrote: Yep, we'll just consult Wikipedia before we whip that toe off.
Nooooo! Not that one! That one, the green, runny one.
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Also, according to the internet, that toe has cancer.
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harold aptroot wrote: but in general I believe they are wrong.
In general, they're right. Mostly thanks to those institutions themselves 
harold aptroot wrote: Wrong enough that I'm planning to go back to university a second time and get some more of that value they think isn't there.
You're confusing attending class (which may or may not have value) with getting a paper that says 'academic' (which has value).
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Kids today have it made! When I was in college, the only extra reference materials I had (for programming) were the locally installed MSDN (usually a quarter or two behind) and a growing library of books I purchased at the local bookseller! There was no CP or SO then. There was only trial and error!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: There was only trial and error!
Is that why every time I make an error I end up on trial? 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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You had MSDN?
Try reading the VAX/VMS doc set.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Try reading the VAX/VMS doc set.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Rob Philpott wrote: This is so wrong...
Seems reasonable to me. Expectation has made a 'degree' the required norm rather than an unusual need without any actual increase in value. The manager of a McDonald's shouldn't be required to have a degree. And even if a degree was useful for that position then it should at least be relevant to that position.
Universities where I am have never had a requirement that professors must have any teaching experience and this includes not requiring that they have taken any classes in teaching much less communications. And more and more classes are being taught by those who are not professors (thus one might wonder why professors are needed at all.)
And by my experience many would have been helped quite a bit by knowing how to teach, how to lecture and even how to organize.
Classes are often required not by actual usefulness but often, and sometimes explicitly so, by political (university politics) expediency.
The fact is that when universities first came into existence the knowledge available there was in fact the only place that one could acquire that knowledge unless one was wealthy. And it acted as a repository for that knowledge that existed in few other places.
Obviously now that is a far different situation. For example the vast majority of people will never need to know what a Greek Tragedy is and many of those who do are only the teachers of such. One can argue that knowing about it is if fact the desire but that is true for a vast array of literature and one is exposed to specific ones only at the whim of a teacher and university rather than because there is in fact a consensus about the ones that are the 'best'. This holds true for many fields.
Along with that the chance that one might accidentally come across something new has been VASTLY increased.
Additionally the amount of knowledge has vastly exceeded anything that was conceivable in the past. For example despite doom and gloom statements the number of books published each year are greater by two orders of magnitude for those even in the 1970s.
And yes it is real knowledge and not just slop. Plenty of that but a lot of real knowledge as well. For example if one wants to make ones own table then one can find something online. Or learn how to sew. Or learn about electronics. There was a time when that wasn't possible. Even in the mid 1900s with libraries finding a book on a topic was more hit an miss and there often was only one book (which the library might or might not have.)
There is much made about "teaching students how to think" but the facts are this.
1. No one understands how that works.
2. Presuming that is even possible to teach that no one can objectively identify that.
3. Despite claims no one can teach another teacher how to do that
4. By the time someone reaches the university if they don't already know that then it seems rather unlikely that they will learn it there.
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Can anyone give a rational explanation to explain what this could be[^]?
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Its a big Hula Hoop.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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