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Rob Philpott wrote:
This is so wrong...


Seems reasonable to me. Expectation has made a 'degree' the required norm rather than an unusual need without any actual increase in value. The manager of a McDonald's shouldn't be required to have a degree. And even if a degree was useful for that position then it should at least be relevant to that position.

Universities where I am have never had a requirement that professors must have any teaching experience and this includes not requiring that they have taken any classes in teaching much less communications. And more and more classes are being taught by those who are not professors (thus one might wonder why professors are needed at all.)

And by my experience many would have been helped quite a bit by knowing how to teach, how to lecture and even how to organize.

Classes are often required not by actual usefulness but often, and sometimes explicitly so, by political (university politics) expediency.

The fact is that when universities first came into existence the knowledge available there was in fact the only place that one could acquire that knowledge unless one was wealthy. And it acted as a repository for that knowledge that existed in few other places.

Obviously now that is a far different situation. For example the vast majority of people will never need to know what a Greek Tragedy is and many of those who do are only the teachers of such. One can argue that knowing about it is if fact the desire but that is true for a vast array of literature and one is exposed to specific ones only at the whim of a teacher and university rather than because there is in fact a consensus about the ones that are the 'best'. This holds true for many fields.

Along with that the chance that one might accidentally come across something new has been VASTLY increased.

Additionally the amount of knowledge has vastly exceeded anything that was conceivable in the past. For example despite doom and gloom statements the number of books published each year are greater by two orders of magnitude for those even in the 1970s.

And yes it is real knowledge and not just slop. Plenty of that but a lot of real knowledge as well. For example if one wants to make ones own table then one can find something online. Or learn how to sew. Or learn about electronics. There was a time when that wasn't possible. Even in the mid 1900s with libraries finding a book on a topic was more hit an miss and there often was only one book (which the library might or might not have.)

There is much made about "teaching students how to think" but the facts are this.
1. No one understands how that works.
2. Presuming that is even possible to teach that no one can objectively identify that.
3. Despite claims no one can teach another teacher how to do that
4. By the time someone reaches the university if they don't already know that then it seems rather unlikely that they will learn it there.
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