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Dalek Dave wrote: I have been keeping an eye on this for about a month
You have too much time on your hands. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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What I want to know is how he married his first wife 68 years before his birth.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: What I want to know is how he married his first wife 68 years before his birth.
It is Dr. Who afterall. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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That year was changed tonight. Such things are known to have happened before.
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...particularly if DD gets drunk and has access to a keyboard... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Not Guilty!
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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...this time!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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For some reason today I day dreamed for a while about WinRT.
My current mood about it is that I absolutely don't care about it and whatever I did with it is already fading from my memory...
I was just wondering if it was the right move!
Not some kind of 'do the right thing' pattern/fashion nazi but more like... trying to predict the future, will WinRT be ever massively relevant?
Reading a FUD article by Rockford Lotha (or some spelling like that) It occurs to me that Microsoft marketing machine fuddled the thing but it is actually a simple proposition.
What is the cost / benefit analysis for the user (currently)
- (COST) only works on Win8
- (COST) has much less functionality than desktop app (no multiple windows, no drag and drop, tons of controls missing, poor file support, poor db support, sadly minimalistic UI, etc...)
- (BENEFIT) marginally faster than pure .NET app (and plain faster app start)
- (BENEFIT) much easier deployment and update (no user security problem / install issue there!)
- (COST) the easier deployment is only through MS Store, it's pathetic for Enterprise internal app
- (BENEFIT) better DirectX integration (C# still a second class citizen though. yeah I know about SharpDX (it's good), thanks)
- EDIT (BENEFIT for C++ Devs) you can develop in C++ and have powerful XAML UI but... I can't see any MFC developer being excited by restricted Metro UI!  (maybe it's for the casual DirectX programmer?)
When I look at this list I can see that the benefits are not worth the costs, at least as far as I am concerned for my pet projects and user base! 
Problem solved!
modified 13-Mar-14 3:31am.
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I had to vote this post up ! How refreshing to read something here that could actually be the basis for a discussion with  content.
But, personally, I remain dumbstruck in the face of RT: ain't touched the critter, and can't forsee that happening in the future.
“The best hope is that one of these days the Ground will get disgusted enough just to walk away ~ leaving people with nothing more to stand ON than what they have so bloody well stood FOR up to now.” Kenneth Patchen, Poet
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Thanks Bill! 
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BillWoodruff wrote: How refreshing to read something here that could actually be the basis for a discussion with content.
Call me skeptical but let's see how far this goes.
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It's much simpler. They will keep it alive when Windows 9 comes and see to it that things get quiet around it. With Windows 10 they will have a new grand 'vision' and abandon everything that does not fit into the picture, RT included.
And that's the reason why I don't care about any of this stuff anymore. Why not make things even shorter and not even use their junk befor they abandon it?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.
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Some of the costs aren't just gradient values, some are very binary, the second cost line is a straight up show stopper for business applications. Fisher Price UIs may have a place but it is not the LOB application arena.
As for minimalistic UI, I'm disgusted with the change from Silverlight to MVC imagine if I had to cut off yet another limb!
So from the guy who spent the last 5 years building apps in YADMP (Yet Another Dead Microsoft Product), go for it, spend months getting your head around another paradigm, build your tolls to help your development, invest your time, effort and money into this WinRT environment.
BUT be prepared to throw the f***ing lot away AGAIN. I am so pissed with Microsoft if they did not have such a strangle hold on the LOB environment I would seriously consider a change.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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We had recovered from the first wave of the interactive web (all Flash(tm) and no content) but it has come back to haunt us in a javascript / HTML5 fuelled way. Both Auntie Bee and Bloomberg have taken to having messages leap into view when you are in the midst of reading an article. Why why why?
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Because it generates more revenue for them?
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: Both Auntie Bee and Bloomberg have taken to having messages leap into view when you are in the midst of reading an article. Why why why?
They are not the only ones doing this. 
I never read obnoxious advertisements. Unfortunately, some hacker is getting paid for every one that they put in my, and your, face. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I despise particularly the 'page is loading' type.
If anybody seriously thinks we're on dial-up, circa 1996, then what kind of contempt are they showing for their 'mark'?
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Maybe they're on dialup. At least that's what AOL Extra+ tech support tells them.
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Larf!
Maybe it's my sh!tty work computer(XP, no less, and all the tank armour Business Systems can provide!), but some of the code projects links take minutes to load - dead page, dead browser, except for the little banners telling me which bit is loading.
What kind of idiot puts so much sh!t in his page that everybody who might have been interested force-closes his browser just to avoid being crucified over his morning coffee?
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: What kind of idiot puts so much sh!t in his page
Wow, have you heard about this fancy <marquee> tag? It's totally awesome, no messy lame-o JavaScript required, and even supported on IE 5 and Netscape 4!
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Soouu-per!I'll run it up the flagpole at the hourly scrum!
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: Soouu-per!
Immediately thinks of this.
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Sorry. Can't look. We're on a two minute sprint cycle of Quad Programming; the boss is playing square-dance tunes all day until we ship the product. Swap lead partner each cycle, one screen between four.
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: Why why why?
Why? Probably because some web designer wanted to earn some more money from a banner ad company, so they talked its marketing department into a cool new way they could get guaranteed viewership of their ads. Nobody anywhere once considered whether customers actually wanted such behavior. Heck, nobody anywhere probably ever stopped and thought through how the feature would work for customers.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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