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The future is hand gesture. Long live to leap motion, and I'm not saying it because they sent one to me... That's really cool, and will get better with time.
More precisely, I think that the market is in a consolidation phase with all this touch hype : everybody tried to use the same idiom for everything, and companies are killing their own great product to unify everything. (Google reader, XNA, silverlight comes to my mind)
This was caused by an economic regression rather than a technologic evolution.
I feel that when enconomic will get better and better, we will enter in a new diversification phase, where all the different input method will be widely used in their best light and use. Be it mouse, touch, hand gesture , or body gesture.
Then no f***ing salesman will say my app is "legacy". grmbl.....
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Nicolas Dorier wrote: The future is hand gesture And what does the future look like for those who feel silly waving their hands at some computer all day?
Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5
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The current and next few generations of touch pc's are stepping stones. Right now its unergonomic for general usage, and only has a specific limited use-case where it makes sense.
But assuming we do want what the movies keep showing, of computers hidden in the building, or star trek type 'desks', we need to build up the tech. Right now the touch we can do is to limited, and the OS's are to rigid (we need them to be more adapting to the task at hand).
So for me touch will just be a feature I ignore...and given I see Windows 8's Modern UI for about 2secs, its gonna stay that way for a while!
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Is this better Idea against touch screen PC and Laptops
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If you are working for example with a large screen which of course would be just a tad further than reaching with your hand, touch is stripped from it's meaning doesn't it?
So it leaves us with only No or It Depends basically. (and the bla bla of no opinion etc)
Cheees,
Edo
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I don't see users having to actually touch screens for very long. Gesturing will surpass touchscreen UI's soon. Keyboards (either physical, or projected onto any flat surface) + gesturing are the future. The mouse is dead.
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I Kind of agree. Look at how Kinect is shaping things. Added to that perceptual computing is on the rise. The only thing to get around is airspace and not knocking over your colleagues or tea when you want to switch windows or move objects around.... oh and the strange behaviour of flappin about like a salmon out of water!
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I Agree. Have you guys checked out the new Leap Motion stuff. gadgets like that, well of course long time until we see them in the common market will take off touch screens.
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It's certainly not everything, there's a lot of hype surrounding it in recent years but so what?
dev
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Although I generally believe at this time that "it depends" is the best answer, I love my touchscreen on my hybird laptop (Envy x2). I can best relate this to back in the 80's when the computer mouse first starting getting used. Until Windows 3 came along, I had little if any use for a mouse. Now I couldn't live without one. Especially, for hybrid laptops, the touchscreen provides a utility that the mouse alone can't. I personally fought the touchscreen but am now warming up to it - thought it was just a gimmick. I am becoming a believer that it can make me more productive, which in the end is the purpose of a computer.
Tom Gueth
Knowledge Resource
Binary Star Technology, Inc
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I agree with Tom Gueth.
With regards,
Manoj
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We had a touch PC onsite and spent a day using it as if it was a tablet. All of the test people found their arm getting too tired after a short period of time. What is good for a tablet isn't good for everything in the world. That is why Windows 8 is failing.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I'd also doubt one would have the same speed; nothing beats a practiced user on a keyboard.
You mouse over to that "X", I'll press ALT-F4. You mouse to the taskbar, I'll ALT-TAB. You mouse to "Cancel", I'll press ESC. Most annoying is it when looking at someone filling out a form, and using the mouse to navigate controls. TAB, TAB, TAB!!
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Most annoying is it when looking at someone filling out a form, and using the mouse to navigate controls. TAB, TAB, TAB!! Sure, sure, however I find the absolute worst thing to navigate using keyboard only, are web pages. It is probably possible to navigate through the posts on this page by only using the keyboard, but man it is a pain!
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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SoMad wrote: It is probably possible to navigate through the posts on this page by only using the keyboard, but man it is a pain!
Really? I find it really easy: CTRL + LEFT & RIGHT for Prev / Next message, and CTRL + UP & DOWN for Prev / Next thread.
I find it quicker than the mouse, to be honest.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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And Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right to switch pages. Alright, I admit I picked a bad example and had forgotten about these commands - they are listed right there at the bottom of the page, but I always use the mouse. I don't know if there are similar commands for navigating my banking site or the Home Depot site, etc.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I agree - but that is down to bad UI design, rather than a limitation of the input device(s).
I find this site a bit of a pain to navigate on my Nexus 7 to be honest - if the text is a reasonable size, many of the functions are too small to activate cleanly with something as inaccurate as a finger!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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OriginalGriff wrote: that is down to bad UI design Well, it's also me. I admire those who know all the shortcut keys in Visual Studio and Word, but I only know the most basic.
How do you handle mouse-hover stuff on the Nexus? It took me a lot of experimentation to figure out how to red-flag in QA, not to mention how to up-/downvote on forum posts. Quite tricky when the arrows are hidden if the mouse is not inside the message.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Just open the post as usual, then click on the post body.
That brings up the arrows (as they did with your message here)
Pinch zoom to make the arrow big enough to click with my inaccurate fingers, and tap the green arrow.
Oops. Upvoted you!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Wait a second. Are you saying you tap your finger inside the body of the post and the arrows remain visible when you lift your finger? On my Windows Phone 8, the arrows go away as soon as I lift my finger. If I simply keep the finger down and try to press an arrow, the arrows disappear without voting.
I have to pinch zoom all the way in (to avoid fatfingering the wrong arrow) to the top, left corner of the body so the very bottom of the message icon is visible, slide my finger from outside the screen, entering the screen just below the icon, slide down into the "arrow field" (the arrows show up) continuing in an L shaped movement into the body itself (sometimes it starts scrolling and I have to go back) and while keeping that finger down, use another finger to press down the arrow, lift the first finger and finally lift the "arrow finger". The UI shuffles around a little, which tells me the vote was applied.
That took a long time to figure out. I kept having to zoom out to look in the bottom, right corner to see if the "vote text" showed up.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I assume you are using IE on Win8?
Mine is Chrome, and it's possible that Google have thought about these things...I figured it was going to be a problem picking a forum from the mouse-over menus as well, but first tap opens the menu, second zooms it to show the links more clearly, or it opens auto after a second or so if you don't second tap. Works well (but not as easy as a mouse)
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Yes, it is IE10 (or some sort of mobile version of it). I don't know if it is the browser or the phone (Nokia Lumia 920), but I have not found a way to change behaviors like that.
The red-flag hover menus have a related problem. For some reason when I press and hold my finger on an image (the red flag is also an image) for about 1 second, a menu pops up asking If I want to save the image. That prevents me from selecting anything from the "red flag menu". The solution is to zoom in and pan to position the flag to be half way out of the screen at the top and slide my finger from outside the screen onto the flag (this pops up the menu), keeping the finger down and selecting the menu entry with another finger, releasing the first finger and then releasing the second finger.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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There is a chrome for win 8 (I think) - Google will tell you if you look. Might be easier to use...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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For the phone? I looked for that a while back without finding anything. Actually, I did find UC Browser, but it does not like CodeProject.
Thanks, I will try looking for Chrome again.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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SoMad wrote: they are listed right there at the bottom of the page
And I never noticed
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