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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Most annoying is it when looking at someone filling out a form, and using the mouse to navigate controls. TAB, TAB, TAB!!
Sure, sure, however I find the absolute worst thing to navigate using keyboard only, are web pages. It is probably possible to navigate through the posts on this page by only using the keyboard, but man it is a pain!
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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SoMad wrote: It is probably possible to navigate through the posts on this page by only using the keyboard, but man it is a pain!
Really? I find it really easy: CTRL + LEFT & RIGHT for Prev / Next message, and CTRL + UP & DOWN for Prev / Next thread.
I find it quicker than the mouse, to be honest.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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And Ctrl+Shift+Left/Right to switch pages. Alright, I admit I picked a bad example and had forgotten about these commands - they are listed right there at the bottom of the page, but I always use the mouse. I don't know if there are similar commands for navigating my banking site or the Home Depot site, etc.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I agree - but that is down to bad UI design, rather than a limitation of the input device(s).
I find this site a bit of a pain to navigate on my Nexus 7 to be honest - if the text is a reasonable size, many of the functions are too small to activate cleanly with something as inaccurate as a finger!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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OriginalGriff wrote: that is down to bad UI design
Well, it's also me. I admire those who know all the shortcut keys in Visual Studio and Word, but I only know the most basic.
How do you handle mouse-hover stuff on the Nexus? It took me a lot of experimentation to figure out how to red-flag in QA, not to mention how to up-/downvote on forum posts. Quite tricky when the arrows are hidden if the mouse is not inside the message.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Just open the post as usual, then click on the post body.
That brings up the arrows (as they did with your message here)
Pinch zoom to make the arrow big enough to click with my inaccurate fingers, and tap the green arrow.
Oops. Upvoted you! 
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Wait a second. Are you saying you tap your finger inside the body of the post and the arrows remain visible when you lift your finger? On my Windows Phone 8, the arrows go away as soon as I lift my finger. If I simply keep the finger down and try to press an arrow, the arrows disappear without voting.
I have to pinch zoom all the way in (to avoid fatfingering the wrong arrow) to the top, left corner of the body so the very bottom of the message icon is visible, slide my finger from outside the screen, entering the screen just below the icon, slide down into the "arrow field" (the arrows show up) continuing in an L shaped movement into the body itself (sometimes it starts scrolling and I have to go back) and while keeping that finger down, use another finger to press down the arrow, lift the first finger and finally lift the "arrow finger". The UI shuffles around a little, which tells me the vote was applied.
That took a long time to figure out. I kept having to zoom out to look in the bottom, right corner to see if the "vote text" showed up.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I assume you are using IE on Win8?
Mine is Chrome, and it's possible that Google have thought about these things...I figured it was going to be a problem picking a forum from the mouse-over menus as well, but first tap opens the menu, second zooms it to show the links more clearly, or it opens auto after a second or so if you don't second tap. Works well (but not as easy as a mouse)
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Yes, it is IE10 (or some sort of mobile version of it). I don't know if it is the browser or the phone (Nokia Lumia 920), but I have not found a way to change behaviors like that.
The red-flag hover menus have a related problem. For some reason when I press and hold my finger on an image (the red flag is also an image) for about 1 second, a menu pops up asking If I want to save the image. That prevents me from selecting anything from the "red flag menu". The solution is to zoom in and pan to position the flag to be half way out of the screen at the top and slide my finger from outside the screen onto the flag (this pops up the menu), keeping the finger down and selecting the menu entry with another finger, releasing the first finger and then releasing the second finger. 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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There is a chrome for win 8 (I think) - Google will tell you if you look. Might be easier to use...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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For the phone? I looked for that a while back without finding anything. Actually, I did find UC Browser, but it does not like CodeProject.
Thanks, I will try looking for Chrome again.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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SoMad wrote: they are listed right there at the bottom of the page
And I never noticed 
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Must be the ads that are distracting you 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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No, generally it's figuring out whether something is friendly banter or outright insults - with developers it's often hard to see the difference - especially when related to C++, which might be a cultural problem.
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Never knew about CTRL + LEFT & RIGHT
You sir, are me hero 
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Psst! Don't tell anyone, but it's at the bottom of the page...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Well, that ensured that today wasn't a total waste of time ... 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: filling out a form, and using the mouse to navigate controls. TAB, TAB, TAB!!
This works right up until some stupid, lazy, know nothing developer forgets to set the tab order on the page!. I hate lazy buggers who don't do the minimum required of them.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail right on the head!
Saludos,
Martin.
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Message Removed
modified 19-Mar-13 11:15am.
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If I tried to use a touch screen for my desk computer, my arm would get really tired pretty quickly. Guess it is good exercise. For kiosks and touchpads they work great. Not that a touchpad when using touch is probably mostly flat on the desk/table top, or in a lap.
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This silly touch interface will never work, but the tongue interface will, as we evolve into beings with no other tactile device available to us. Legs are bound to atrophy through lack of use, and hands will evolve into pointy stumps suitable only for texting and spearing Twinkies for gobbling. The tongue-activated interface will also open up possibilities for developers, since we'll have the ability to include flavor and scent as attributes of project themes. The pr0n industry, as usual, will probably spearhead the transition into this new technology, but others will follow forthwith.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Of the tongue-activated interface, a nice jolt from a 9-volt will be part of Version 1.0, of which developers can use to clue the clueless user of their unclued chosen answer.
Hence, the new product will be called:
CLUE ~ Computer Lickin' User Experience
Marketing slogan: Get a CLUE!
When shipped with every PC, the user can not longer say:
"I have no stinkin' CLUE how to use this..."
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Somehow your description made me think on the film WALL-E 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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