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Re: ease of use paulccc8-Dec-04 5:01 paulccc 8-Dec-04 5:01  Xp3ll3d wrote: Well i love C++'s ability to do anything. but i absolutely hate the way it handles pointers. How so? Re: ease of use Richard Stringer8-Dec-04 8:33 Richard Stringer 8-Dec-04 8:33  PaulMdx wrote: Well i love C++'s ability to do anything. but i absolutely hate the way it handles pointers. How so? Curious about that myself. As an old time ASM programmer pointers were basically the same as in C or C++ with minor exceptions. I much prefer to access ALL data thru pointers but that is just my way of doing things and not to be taken as Gospel but I am curious as to how any pointer usage could be more robust or simple than that used in C or C++. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) Re: ease of use Kevin McFarlane11-Dec-04 4:27 Kevin McFarlane 11-Dec-04 4:27  Richard Stringer wrote: I much prefer to access ALL data thru pointers but that is just my way of doing things and not to be taken as Gospel This is fine if you're doing C but not recommended if you're doing C++. See Stroustrup's many comments on this issue. Kevin Set? Jörgen Sigvardsson6-Dec-04 2:09 Jörgen Sigvardsson 6-Dec-04 2:09  What is the Set feature in Pascal...? -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^] Re: Set? Grimolfr6-Dec-04 2:36 Grimolfr 6-Dec-04 2:36  A set is a collection that doesn't allow duplicate entries. There's at least one CP Article[^] available on creating sets support in C#. Grim (aka Toby) MCDBA, MCSD, MCP+SB Need a Second Life?[^] SELECT * FROM user WHERE clue IS NOT NULL GO (0 row(s) affected) Re: Set? Nemanja Trifunovic6-Dec-04 2:48 Nemanja Trifunovic 6-Dec-04 2:48  I think Jörgen knows about sets, given the fact he holds a MSCS degree. The question was IMHO, why Pascal sets in particular? My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. Re: Set? Jörgen Sigvardsson6-Dec-04 2:53 Jörgen Sigvardsson 6-Dec-04 2:53  That's something that should reside in a (standard) library rather than the language itself IMO. A feature should only be included in the language if and only if it is required in some way. I am not a Pascal wiz, but I don't see anything in the Pascal language that requires a set. Or in any other imperative language for that matter. -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^] Re: Set? Emilio Garavaglia9-Dec-04 5:18 Emilio Garavaglia 9-Dec-04 5:18  I agree the concept, but I feel the cause and the effect had been reversed. Pascal was definied to be "strongly typed". In it, operation like AND or OR were for BOOL only. A group of flag was mandatory to be at least an array of bool, and that was SET, as firstly implelemted: given an enumeral, a set of myenumeral was a bit array with each bit indicating the presence of a value in the set. Further pressions from many programmers causes Pascal to "degenerate" into more efficient C-like operation on bits and integers. Thus & and | where also for int, like in C. At thet point, set looses the most of its attractive, expecially between windows programmers, also considering the the most of the windows API makes uses of integer manifest constants (not enums or bit fields) to define flags. 2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. Re: Set? Nemanja Trifunovic6-Dec-04 2:45 Nemanja Trifunovic 6-Dec-04 2:45  I guess set types[^], but who knows? My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. Re: Set? peterchen6-Dec-04 3:08 peterchen 6-Dec-04 3:08  yup, likely. The most use sets got for making certain checks simpler to type (instead of x=c1 OR x=c2 OR x=c3, you could write x in [c1, c2, c3]), and for handling certain groups of characters (e.g. "chars allowed in my identifier"). The first is fairly ineffective, and the second useless with MBCS/UNICODE charsets. But you could sometimes "shortcut" a boring piece of code by imaginative use of sets. A modern programming language should provide a set class through it's runtime library. we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr. boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen Re: Set? Michael Dunn6-Dec-04 4:18 Michael Dunn 6-Dec-04 4:18  You can write things like if ch in ['a', 'b', 'x'], the in operator and the part in [] use the set features. --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ | You Are Dumb Re: Set? Paul Watson6-Dec-04 19:40 Paul Watson 6-Dec-04 19:40  Ah, like TSQL then. That is pretty handy. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project ebook reader!!! Nish Nishant6-Dec-04 2:06 Nish Nishant 6-Dec-04 2:06  That one had me rotflmao for a while! Seriously, it's funnier than the clistctrl entry My blog on C++/CLI, MFC/Win32, .NET - void Nish(char* szBlog); My MVP tips, tricks and essays web site - www.voidnish.com Definitely Reflection peterchen6-Dec-04 0:59 peterchen 6-Dec-04 0:59  it's for me the most powerful of these, kind of Level Two of "self-conciousness" of the language. we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr. boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen Re: Definitely Reflection Nemanja Trifunovic6-Dec-04 2:57 Nemanja Trifunovic 6-Dec-04 2:57  I'm not so sure. Maybe I had too much C++ in my life, but reflection makes the type system more "dynamic", and I don't like that. My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it. Re: Definitely Reflection peterchen6-Dec-04 9:11 peterchen 6-Dec-04 9:11  Actually, reflection is the only thing I'm mssing, for for my company's software, I added some "manual reflection" capabilities. It's a charm. Extremely powerful really. One "Serialize" function now can handles (binary) persistance in both directions including up/down compatibility, export to and import from a Matlab-like format, post processing update decisions, merging data sets, and data access to and from the scripting interface. It's not complete, and adding a new type isn't done in two lines of code, I'm stuck with some early design decisions that make parts of it very hairy, and yes, I wished we'd have this right at the beginning. But that would have required reflection we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr. boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen Re: Definitely Reflection leppie6-Dec-04 2:58 leppie 6-Dec-04 2:58  I agree, but nowadays u wont see much of code that does NOT contain a few goto's.IMO used correctly (especially with switch/case blocks) is really powerful. Combine that now with some try/finaly blocks and u have very powerful flow control and subsequent cleanups. But reflection wins by a small edge. top secret Download xacc-ide 0.0.3 now! See some screenshots Re: Definitely Reflection Marc Clifton6-Dec-04 10:32 Marc Clifton 6-Dec-04 10:32  peterchen wrote: it's for me the most powerful of these, kind of Level Two of "self-conciousness" of the language. Amen! Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing Re: Definitely Reflection Shog96-Dec-04 14:50 Shog9 6-Dec-04 14:50  For me, it's sort of a "more work up front" vs. "more work later" decision... a good template system will speed initial development, whereas a good reflection system allows more flexibility for later changes. I chose templates, this would have been a close second. "The time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things..." Multiple Selection Aamir Butt6-Dec-04 0:00 Aamir Butt 6-Dec-04 0:00  Why this is not a multiple selection poll. I guess I need more than one thing out of those. It is by Acts and not by ideas that people live-- Anatole France My Articles Re: Multiple Selection Gavin Greig6-Dec-04 0:29 Gavin Greig 6-Dec-04 0:29  It focuses the mind if you have to consider which single feature you want the most. Of course I want quite a few of the language features listed, but knowing I could only choose one made me think about which ones I could do without. I swithered a little between exceptions and templates, but in the end part of the point of exceptions is that you shouldn't really need them if you are coding defensively. Of course, we all know that's an oversimplification, but it was enough to tip the balance in favour of templates, which make a more positive contribution to a programming language. (Generics are also good, though less powerful.) Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles. Re: Multiple Selection Aamir Butt6-Dec-04 0:31 Aamir Butt 6-Dec-04 0:31  My answer was the same (Templates/Generics). That was just a thought. It is by Acts and not by ideas that people live-- Anatole France My Articles Re: Multiple Selection Michael Dunn6-Dec-04 4:26 Michael Dunn 6-Dec-04 4:26  The question says "which features would you like most?" so I expected multiple-selection too. *shrug* --Mike-- LINKS~! 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