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TBiker wrote:
Not only is the .Net a bloated (1.2 Gb!) distribution
[.Net Framework + Visual Studio .Net]
So tell me how large VS6 + the MFC libs are, or VS6 + the VB runtime, or pick a JRE and your Java IDE or choice.
The point is: so what?
The actual redistributables will be around 15Mb (+/- a few Mb). Even something like Netscape is bigger than that.
cheers,
Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Its the "so what" attitude of Microsoft that has led to operating systems which seem to magically suck away all the benefit of increased clock speeds and available RAM. No matter how fast my processor is or how much memory I have, Microsoft products continue to amaze me in how the extra resources vanish to a point where my applications never get the benefit. That suggests a poor, bloated design. Sure, Microsoft can eat as much disk space as it needs for a rich development tool but when it takes four times longer to load Visual Studio .Net and twice as much memory before I am running like VS6, then something is really wrong there.
What happenned to the days of living with 4 Mb. RAM and a few floppies for a distribution?
That is my point.
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The .NET runtime-redistributable is under 20 MB
http://download.microsoft.com/download/VisualStudioNET/Trial/2.0/W982KMeXP/EN-US/dotnetfx.exe
Nish
Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain
www.busterboy.org
Nish is a BIG fan of Goran Ivanisevic
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I'm amazed you would prefer Java over C#, or you haven't really looked at it and your following Sun's press rather than real honest investigation.
After working with Java over the last few years, just a quick peek into what C# has to offer...I'm ready to rewrite everything in C#! But I think some things need to be set straight first......
1) Java is not really platform independent.
2) Java introduces .jar hell which is equivalent to dll hell.
3) Java is SLOW regardless of the horsepower!
4) Java isn't original...C# isn't either.
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Actually it's not a ripoff of java, it's written by the guy who wrote turbo pascal and Delphi.
C# also has a UNIX compiler now.
Don't use the IDE (I don't).. and your idea of "bloat" goes away.
Even the UNIX world sees how .NET is good, and they are trying to port it all to UNIX.
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Having been using the CF with RC1 for the past couple of weeks I'm coming across a number of problems e.g. I can't use Web Services within a Pocket PC application! Has anybody been using it and what are your first impressions?
Stuart Gedge
E. stuart.gedge@mobileenterprise.co.uk
W. www.mobileenterprise.co.uk
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Hi there,
I am considering implementing an application using the .DOTNET platform. In the past I've wasted significant time and effort implementing COM components in Visual C++. I'm pretty enticed by .DOTNET as will enable me to concentrate on the problem domain without worrying about the intricate details of implementing unmanaged COM code. My concerns are now related to ease of deployment on the older versions of Windows.
My questions:
How difficult will it be for Windows 95/98/NT/2000 users to install and run application developed in the .DOTNET environment?
Presumably they will have to update their OS.
If so, can I bundle this update with my installer?
Will they have to reboot their machine?
If so, how many times?
Can I compile to unmanaged binaries (i.e. traditional COM components) for backward compatibility so that an OS update is not required?
Does the OS update impose any additional fees from Microsoft?
For which versions of Windows are there updates available?
I'd sincerely appreciate your comments.
Thank you kindly
Jamie
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1. The .NET Framework is available for Win9x/NT/2000/XP, so you can run your apps on all of them.
2. Using a Windows Installer-based setup, you can use the Merge Module that ships with the Framework SDK and it will automatically look to make sure the framework is installed.
3. Don't have to reboot.
4. You can interop with COM components from managed code as well as use unmanaged C++ to create code that does not require the CLR.
5. No
6. Win9x through WinXP
Cheers!
Colin
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Hi everyone, hope u all can help me out..
I have a form which contains the validators components which I drag and drop on the page using vs.net.
And when I submit the form , it is okie, the form is validated, but how do I go to the next page since the form tag requires me to includes "runat=server", so that the page will be posted to the same page and be validated?
But I needed to submit the form again to the next page and I need the values which I had entered previously..how can I do that??
Regards,
adeline
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Just thought I would share this useful list of .NET resource websites with you: Top Ten .NET Sites
The .NET Framework Frequently Asked Questions list is very good and quite comprehensive.
Plus it has a link to CodeProject which is at #7 
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
"The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
"In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Thanks for the link, the FAQ was really helpful..
Cheers
Kannan
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Don't you hate it when you work hard on your project, only to find your client isn't so impressed just because of what it looks like on the outside?
If you need help with graphics and user interface layout, Z Web Graphics can help. We specialize in working with developer's to give your project the image it deserves. We know how hard you work behind the scenes, and we will help you reflect that on the surface.
All you have to do is email us at info@zwebgraphics.com, or fill out our customer profile form located on our website at www.zwebgraphics.com. It all can be done via email, by you telling us a little bit about you and your project, then we can begin designing mock up layouts, and sending you graphics via email. It is all very easy, and very inexpensive.
Contact us at info@zwebgraphics.com or visit our website at www.zwebgraphics.com for more information.
Z Web Graphics
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Need a soft drink for your project
check out Pepsi/Coke.....
Nish
p.s. I thought I'd continue the AD thing
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Need a good message board to spam?
Try CodeProject..
Todd Smith
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yeah
I saw that same dumb ad in one of the other forums too
Nish
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I think it's funny that this spam has caused probably the biggest number of posts to this forum in a day, ever.
Christian
After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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Does any one has any code in VB.net that allows me to save
the edited business info in uddi?
Regards,
adeline
Thanks in advance and have a nice day,
adeline
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GDI+ seems great for rendering little form controls, but as a high performance 2D API, it stinks. Even using memory bitmaps, GDI+ performance is quite slow. Draw 1000 random lines and the application nearly stalls.
Has anyone found out ways or making GDI+ work faster (other then memory bitmap rendering)?
Also, is this the expected performance of GDI+, or will performance significantly improve one VS.Net is released?
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I'm using GDI+ as usual ...
I haven't problem with this !
My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader.
Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html
Hadi Rezaie
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I've seen this problem too.
I've try to paint 10000 random lines in differents manners:
- with DrawLine
- with DrawPath
- with DrawLines
And in all cases, the time spent on the execution is 10 to 20 times
slowly.
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Can i use CDC class in my MFC project in VC++ .NET ?
What is CDC speed ?
My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader.
Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html
Hadi Rezaie
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Has anyone had the displeasure of using MCCMS (Microsoft Content Management Server)? It is part of the new .NET family of servers but is actually a rebranded version of the NCompass Resolution content management product.
It is great once you have it setup because then authors, publishers etc. can create content at will. However it is the setting up, creating templates and using the API which is a real pain in the ass.
I am curious to hear other peoples opinions on the product, as well as whether you also find it confusing and highly inefficient.
IMHO MS have simple taken NCompass Resolution, rebranded it and are probably right now frantically rewriting most of the product so that it actually works like other MS products and not some 3rd party solution. I hope ver2 is more in line with the .NET family. (Commerce Server 2000 is also like this, rebranded and not up to MS standards.)
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
"The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
"In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Paul,
We have quite a few CMS projects rolling out here in Canada. I'm going to be doing one next month. Is there a specific area that you are having problems with?
BTW... Have you seen the Commerce Server 2002 technology preview? I think you'll find it a little easier to work with.
Cheers!
Colin Bowern, Consultant
Enterprise Platform Solutions
Microsoft Services (Canada)
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I am involved in the second CMS roll-out in the United Kingdom (dev back in South Africa). Our partner company is quite close to MS and so they have really evangalised CMS to us and their client.
I don't want to disparage a MS product as I am normally impressed with them (VS.NET for instance is just stunning IMHO) but CMS to me feels strange and rather amateurish.
Have you used the product much with a "real world" website? When I first used it I was happy with it. The samples were simple and easy to understand and I was impressed with the WYSIWIG editing of content. I still am.
It is when you actually start to do more complex websites with include files, proprietry database calls etc. that things become confusing and rather arse-backwards.
My main areas of confusion (which I am slowly getting my head around) are:
- using my own include files: Just found the Shared folder which helps a bit
- CMS's folder structure: CMS should really use a standard virtual directory off of the inetpub\wwwroot folder to remain consistent and integrate easily with Visual Studio and how us ASP coders think )
- Folders vs. Channels: Finally understanding it but seems cumbersome and inneficient
Also editing templates is a pain. You have to open Site Builder, right click the template and select Edit Template HTML. Then one edits the HTML and ASP code. Then you save, close the HTML editor, close design pallete and preview the template. If something is not quite right then you have to re-do that whole process.
I also cannot see how CMS is going to work with ASP.NET files.
Some other issues are:
If you are selecting a template to import and you alt-tab to another app (leaving the Site Builder file selector dialog open) to copy a file or two and then try and alt-tab back to Site Builder you can't. You can see Site Builder but it does not respond and checking the alt-tab list shows no Site Builder. You have to End Task Site Builder and then re-open Site Builder.
If you add a resource to the resource gallery it often takes about 5 Global Refreshes before it shows up in the Design Pallete.
My main problem is that I am used to using Visual Studio and a normal IIS folder structure. CMS though does not follow any of the same standards or ideas. It is a great product once setup, no doubt about it. But setting it up, creating templates etc. is a mission. It does feel like a product that MS have simply bought and rebranded.
Bottom line? It is a case of throwing the ASP manual out of the window and learning a very different way of creating a website. The template creation side of CMS should have been kept cosistent with normal web site creation.
BTW... Have you seen the Commerce Server 2002 technology preview? I think you'll find it a little easier to work with
Not yet, all my time lately has been spent figuring out CMS Thanks for the tip though.
Thanks for the response Colin, take care.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa
"The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
"In other words, the developer is dealing with an elephant, the accountant is dealing with a bunny rabbit." by Stan Shannon - 16/10/2001
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Here at the Microsoft PDC, I noticed something in a demo which surprised me a little: If, from a web page, the user downloads and runs a .EXE from a web site, and that .EXE is a .NET managed executable, the user will NOT get a security warning. The .NET program will be "sandboxed" (gee, I thought MS didn't like sandboxing ), so the user is safe.
I like that. I tried it myself -- wrote a .NET exe, which was NOT signed with Authenticode, and then tried downloading it via a web page that looked like this:
Click <a href="foo.exe">here</a>
It worked as I had seen in the demo: foo.exe downloads and runs, with no security warning, but as soon as foo.exe tries to do something "bad," e.g. open a file, a security exception is thrown. Cool. And a bit better than the Java way, because Java applets download inside the IE frame, but .NET exes can open Windows and stuff -- they look like regular client apps.
My questions are:
(1) How does this work? My guess is, IE downloads the EXE, looks at its header and sees that the bit is set indicating it's a .NET EXE, so it knows that it doesn't need to put up a security warning since the CLR will sandbox the program.
(2) Is this a feature of IE6? If I downloaded the EXE in an earlier version of IE, would it work the old way (put up a security warning based on the Authenticode stamp on the EXE)?
Mike Morearty
mike@morearty.com
http://www.morearty.com - handy code and programs
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