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So maybe CP needs more editors?
Regards,
Rohit Sinha
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Hi Nish, sounds like a lot of work but on the right track. I realize it's time consuming and painful to do, but if it was my site that's exactly what I'd be doing.
It's a bit of a mystery to me why there are still new unedited articles allowed and also why some authors are requested they remain unedited?
Surely that's something you guys should be putting your foot down on? (Isn't that a bit like trying to bail water out of a boat while keeping a hole in the bottom?)
Sorry for your bandwidth woes.
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John Cardinal wrote:
why some authors are requested they remain unedited
So that they can keep updating the article as often as they wish without having to go through the editing process. Once an article is edited, you need to ask the editor to make any change. You can update an unedited article on your own though (if you are the author).
Regards,
Rohit Sinha
Browsy
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- Mother Teresa
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Indeed - the difference has been quite noticeable since Smitha joined the team! 
Nishant S wrote:
This post was made from Trivandrum city, India on a 0.0001 KB/s net connection
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Part of CPs uniqueness is that articles are published without an intermediary editor approval process.
You hit submit and there in front of 700k devs is your article, live from New York to Hong Kong, from Sydney to London, from Cape Town to Nova Scotia.
It is a pretty incredible concept, one that does require some give and take by us viewers.
Introduce a mandatory editor step and it becomes just another article website.
If you start reading an unedited article, realise it is a crap article and get annoyed, then best you stick to the edited sections. I don't mind going through the unedited because for every 5 bad ones there is 1 great article.
my 2 cents.
As for the beginners section, what do you propose? I would be keen to help out but it is a big task and needs to be done properly, with some planning. I would think a far reaching contents list would need to be drawn up and an article or two done each month, each one tackling a certain topic.
regards,
Paul Watson
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Ouch! Well I wouldn't post suggestions if I didn't care, apathy is a far graver problem than a "bad" suggestion. 
Actually, I half agree with you and half don't. My real concern with the unedited articles is they are all automatically placed in the "Unedited" articles section.
A compromise would be to somehow identify them as unedited, but still get them categorized with more granularity.
That's my real point I guess, right now it's a needle in a haystack situation.
Beginners section:
Here is where this came from, I have a friend that want's to learn to program, he has an internet connection and no money. I tried to find a site to point him to that would give him the beginning steps of explaining what programming is about, steps to acquire free tools from the internet to get started: .Net framework, the free IDE (SharpDevelop I think it's called), etc. Enough to get all the tools required. Then a series of "hello world", what is an object, language rules and syntax, where to find more language details (msdn) etc.
Enough to bring a person up to where they can get going on their own with the help of the existing articles on CP when they want to do something specific.
What would be required is some collaboration of suggestions by people on what the outline would be, then break it into segments for separate articles.
The key being small simple things that get some interesting results while teaching a concept.
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I suggested we have a competition whereby a list of articles are proposed and members then compete to fill out those articles. If we can do that then I have prizes to giveaway. The trick is to work out a method whereby we can have a list and somehow generate the best articles possible without frustrating authors. Maybe two people submit the same article, or maybe an article is written and it's poor quality so another author replaces the article. Angst all round.
I want to do this, so lets think of a way.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I suggested we have a competition whereby a list of articles are proposed and members then compete to fill out those articles.
Excellent idea! Lot's more people would probably write articles if a goal was set before them.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Maybe two people submit the same article, or maybe an article is written and it's poor quality so another author replaces the article
I'm not exactly an "expert" programmer but I have no problem with people giving constructive criticism so if the first effort isn't ideal it can be improved with help from others. That should be something emphasized in all this as most people are probably afraid to post an article because they don't feel confident enough in their skills when it's going to be seen by so many people.
Chris Maunder wrote:
The trick is to work out a method whereby we can have a list and somehow generate the best articles possible without frustrating authors
Well it seems to me that people can just take on an article, publish it and then everyone gets a chance to review it and make suggestions. Or if more than one person wants to do an article they can co-author it?
Better to do a bit of planning and try something to see what happens and improve it the next time around than to burn cycles trying to account for every possible problem.
Kind of like how we write software: when we have a large new project coming up we do a small subset of it that covers all the new features as a test then we do the real thing.
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John Cardinal wrote:
.Net framework, the free IDE (SharpDevelop I think it's called), etc.
How's this[^] for the first tutorial? (Currently a Word doc, but I'll upload it to CodeProject as soon as I can if you like it.) Is the length right, or should I cover more per tutorial?
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Yes, but perhaps a step before that on what the .net framework is and how to install it.
Then in this one, strictly how to install SharpDevelop would be best then separate articles on "your first program" etc.
Part of a "chain" of articles maybe (Part 1, part 2) so people know what order to take them in?
Some of the stuff you mentioned by be a bit confusing though like mentioning "base classes" near the start etc. I guess if you described what it was about without using the terminology yet that might be better?
Any terminology up front usually will confuse half the people and have the other half thinking they are supposed to know it to proceed. Maybe say "base classes (it's not important to know this term yet it will be covered later).."
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John Cardinal wrote:
Yes, but perhaps a step before that on what the .net framework is and how to install it.
Then in this one, strictly how to install SharpDevelop would be best then separate articles on "your first program" etc.
Part of a "chain" of articles maybe (Part 1, part 2) so people know what order to take them in?
OK, I'll try that and see how that goes.
Hmm...
Part 1 - Getting Started: Installing the .NET Framework and SharpDevelop
Part 2 - Hello World in C#
An simple console application that introduces some basic programming concepts (statement, comment, expression, method, etc)
Part 3 - (Don't know what to call it)
Goes into more depth in explaining programming concepts - operators, variables, etc.
Part 4 - Intro to OOP
Part 5 - Intro to Windows Forms and the #Develop Forms Designer
John Cardinal wrote:
I guess if you described what it was about without using the terminology yet that might be better?
Any terminology up front usually will confuse half the people and have the other half thinking they are supposed to know it to proceed.
You're probably right. I'll change that.
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You know, what would be really  would be somewhere where we could take our articles to be discussed by other article authors before they went live. Maybe a special article collaboration section or something? I think that would increase the likelihood that people would contribute, because then it isn't going "live" and then having people make negative comments because of something that they didn't know about about formatting, wording or whatever.
The Article Suggestions forum might make do, but 1) people might not be lucky enough to have a hosting area like I do, and 2) it would drown out the suggestions and requests, which is what that forum is about.
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Yes! Very good idea!
You should post it as a new thread here so it get's noticed by the "Powers That Be"(tm).
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And one more reply...
I'm changing:
...it will prompt you to build a Code Completion Database, which contains information on the .NET base classes. This information is used to power the code completion, or “intellisense”.
to:
...it will prompt you to build a Code Completion Database, which contains information that is used to power the code completion, or “intellisense”.
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And yet another reply! 
I don't have any computer currently available that doesn't have SharpDevelop and/or the .NET Framework on it, and I'm not really in the mood to uninstall and re-install just for the screenshots. I don't remember the exact step either, but I think I mostly just pressed next to everything for both installations.
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I think there should be a new category for the Message Boards: Faking a Real World Problem in Order to Get a CS Assignment Done.
My neighbours think I am crazy - but they don't know that I have a trampoline. All they see my head bobbing up and down over the fence every five seconds
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I've noticed that quite often when someone posts a programming question in the lounge, it's their first post in the lounge (or anywhere on cp for that matter).
If it's possible, perhaps the message board software could determine if it's their first post in either that forum or anywhere on cp and if it's not a programming forum, display a popup asking if it's a programming related question and presenting the drop down box of programming forums, or maybe just a popup with some sort of clear message and a choice of alternatives.
Note that it would do it the first time only, this should catch most. I know it's an extra burden on the sql server etc, but perhaps when they login it's kept as some sort of session variable until they do post? Not sure how the message board works, but thought I would toss the idea into the hopper anyway.
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That flag could go in a cookie. You'd get the popup the first time you posted from a particular computer (or after clearing cookies), but it would mean no extra server-side storage.
I like it 
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Unfortunately the more steps we put in place of this type the more hassle it will be for regular members, and the more screens the lazy people will simply ignore. People can be ingenious at ignoring instructions when they are determined to be lazy.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
this type the more hassle it will be for regular members
You didn't read it did you? You just skimmed over it!
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No I didn't. A once-only popup won't work since it will be ignored by those who can't be bothered to read instructions (how many times do you see lazy users click 'OK' without reading a dialog) and will be a step (admittedly small) in the way of legitimate users. It will also be yet another burden on the database server.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
People can be ingenious at ignoring instructions when they are determined to be lazy.
I second that! And this field is increasingly getting full of lazy people...
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Due to the recent increase in troll-posting (often from Anonymous logins), I propose we either: 1) add in a verification check of some sort for Anonymous postings, 2) Log IP's of Anonymous posters, or 3) disable Anonymous postings.
It's either that, or force Chris and co. to continue to play clean-up...
Jeremy Kimball
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Wouldn't it make sense to give some people moderator level power, they could either delete a post outright if it was flagrantly violating something, or have the option of moving it to the soap box and leaving a placeholder behind that says "this message moved to soapbox by moderator" with a link?
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