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games, CAD, data mining apps, graphics just to name a few.
norm
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Uhm.. exactly why are you naming them?  Are they network apps, non-network apps, or what?
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non network apps, your rendering engine still runs on client machines, for instance.
norm
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Most comments on this poll seem to be equating a networked app with a web-app. In a peer-peer or LAN environment there is no need for desktop apps. Sure, the network may go down from time to time, but then so will individual PCs.
Now, I voted that there will always be a place for desktop apps because of privacy and because there are many people with no network access of any kind and it would be a pretty stupid marketing move to ignore all of those people.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote:
Most comments on this poll seem to be equating a networked app with a web-app. In a peer-peer or LAN environment there is no need for desktop apps. Sure, the network may go down from time to time, but then so will individual PCs.
Rather less often in my experience. But networks seem to be getting more reliable and I expect that this trend will continue.
Terry O`Nolley wrote:
Now, I voted that there will always be a place for desktop apps because of privacy and because there are many people with no network access of any kind and it would be a pretty stupid marketing move to ignore all of those people.
The market for laptops seems to be significant and I think it will be a long time before laptops have the sort of network access (from anywhere that users care to take them) sufficient to make desktop apps redundant. Likewise, it will take a while before people who have a computer at work and at home have sufficient access to their work network from home to make complete reliance on the network feasible.
John Carson
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...that web browsers are always desktop applications 
I think it's mainly either non-technical people, or technical people with their heads in the clouds that think everything will become web based.
Real techies, like most CPians, will never let go of their desktop apps, as they probably write most of them themselves, and how can you hack processes when you don't even know where they are running?
"The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice" - Proverbs 12:15 (NIV)
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As long as there are / is:
- slow, bad internet connections
- high speed connections are expensive
- lots of virusses
- lots of hackers
- bad webbrowsers (IE)
- Companies who depend on an a zero-downtime network
- Bill Gates
There will always be the need for desktop apps.
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No do go on, tell us how you really feel. 
Always smile, because you never know who has fallen in love with it
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I just think that Web based applications are depending on a lot of things (see previous post) and we all know what can happen once a Microsoft PC gets connected to the www. (Take valve for an example).
Patrick.
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Excuse me for my ignorance, but what has Bill Gate done to generate more hate than his wealth? There's so much hype about putting down M$ and everything. And never heard M$ people bitching about other technologies. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I really have been living in a cubicle. Most of the lame things Microsoft has done, apparently, is hostile take over. I wouldn't count charging money for their software product is a sin would you?
norm
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Didn't that Ellison dude make the claim about 10 years ago that everything would be net-based? Or was that Gates? And didn't they even come out with a machine that had no hard disk, you plugged into the Internet, stored your files there, got automatic updates, etc? Is it one 'el' or two in Ellison?
So, where are we now?
I've turned off the automatic updater thingy in XP. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Here in New England, unless you live in a city (except for those poor bastards in Connecticut), the best Internet connection is a freakin' modem! And if it rains, it never connects. I mean, come on, how are you supposed to hook up to the Internet using wires from Alexander Graham Bell's time?
Viruses abound, making people scared to plug their computer in. Heck, I run my computer on solar power, I'm so afraid that a virus might infiltrate my computer from the AC jack!
So take your unsecure, virus infested, government monitored, policed and buggy automatic patching network and put it where the sun don't shine. I'm much happier designing atomic bombs and writing the occasional CP article using my archaic desktop tools. Now where's that sliderule? Anyone know where I can get a replacement ribbon for my typewriter?
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I think it was actually Scott McNealy from Sun.
It was another of their attempts to come up with some technology that would really hurt Microsoft, rather than actualy be a good idea.
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I think it was an attempt to sound like Marshall McLuhan (?) - you know - the "media is the message".
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It was a joint Oracle-Sun initiative. Those machines were supposed to cost some $500. But the concept never saw the light of the day. And Ellison even tried to sell it on a 3-part documentary "Triumph of the Nerds". It was very Ellison-dramatic-presentation in his Japanese-style house. I would love to see that documentary again. It was great. Has anyone else seen it???
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...we will continue to see an increase in network applications, but I doubt they will ever completely replace desktop apps. There are too many factors that would have to improve to make this entirely workable.
I think we will continue to see a growing trend for connectable applications that have extra features which involve the network, but that still work without it.
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If i were to consider each website i visited as a separate "application", then the majority of the apps i use are already network-based.
The Web is not a good replacement for every application. But it was a great replacement for some.
There will be networks and ways of using them that will benefit many applications currently viewed as best left desktop-based.
Still, i'd rather my minesweeper scores stayed put within the bounds of my desktop box. 
Shog9 -- Exchanging a walk-on part in the War for the lead role in a Cage
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You mean network based such as "application hosting" or "compute servers"? If that is what you mean, it better not become the norm! I heard about Bill Gates delivering a speech about going back to a mainframe style design with one giant server computer, and "thin" clients. In dream-land, that would work fine, but in the real world it is a huge pain in the butt for developers to make software for thin clients. The "thin" clients still need over 100MB of RAM just to maintain a reasonably efficient GUI, not very thin. And if you think Windows is bloated when it only has to interact with one user, imagine the bloat of over a hundred users will be!
Latency is too high, no matter how fast the connection. Too many "round trips" are needed. And if you take the internet and SATURATE it with millions of thin clients all contending for resources on some bloated compute server farm...
I can't bear to think of it!
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I'm always confused as to what it actuall means, there seems to be a new definition of things like network computing every couple of years. 
Regardz
Colin J Davies
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A web browser is a thin client....
It does very little processing (a little javascript here and there) but mostly it just displays what its told to display and postback the user's clicks and form filling as required.
.... And there are already millions of those on the internet. 
--Colin Mackay--
"In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins - not through strength but perseverance." (H. Jackson Brown)
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If I had to design a graphic, manipulate an Excel spreadsheet, read all my mail or play Half Life through a browser, I would go postal and murder the nut who thought the idea up.
Shog says it best above. It is great for many things, but not for all. Adobe Photoshop will never (in reasonable time) become a network app.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Miszou wrote:
I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was.
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Doug Gale wrote:
And if you take the internet and SATURATE it with millions of thin clients
I wrote:
A web browser is a thin client....
.... And there are already millions of those on the internet.
My point was that the internet already has millions of thin clients on it - they're called browsers.
I wasn't suggesting that Adobe, et al produce thin client versions of their products - That would be awful. 
Paul Watson wrote:
I would go postal
I've not come across this particular phrasal verb, "to go postal", before - Do post office workers in South Africa regularly murder people? 
--Colin Mackay--
"In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins - not through strength but perseverance." (H. Jackson Brown)
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>My point was that the internet already has millions of thin clients on it - they're called browsers.
True. But I think in the context of this poll browsers are too obvious to be what it means, surely?
Still, I don't think the browser,html, http are a good application platform.
>"to go postal", before - Do post office workers in South Africa regularly murder people?
LOL, not that I know of. I think it is an American term. Some postal worker went off one day and murdered some people. That started the "going postal" term.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Miszou wrote:
I have read the entire internet. on how boring his day was.
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Paul Watson wrote:
Some postal worker went off one day
Actually, it's been more than one.
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