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I thought I was the only one who couldn't do squat with gmail--maybe I'm not incompetent after all. Luckily Thunderbird has been around for years.
FormerBIOSGuy
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Quite a lot of the bacon I've brought home over the last 25 years has been paid for by apps I've created that run in browsers, and the performance and feature gap between those and locally installed apps has narrowed to almost nothing. Most of my internet "browsing" is accessing server-based browser apps to do my banking, shopping, social interactions, etc. App maintenance is so much easier to all concerned when users don't need to continuously download and install updates.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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TNCaver wrote: Quite a lot of the bacon I've brought home over the last 25 years has been paid for by apps I've created that run in browsers
I never said it does not pay. But the fact it pays does not say it is good.
TNCaver wrote: banking, shopping, social interactions
These are trivial transactions with a server. Do you design 3D models in your browser ? Do you create pivot tables in your browser ? Do you write long reports with pictures in your browser ? No. Why ? Because they are not designed for it.
TNCaver wrote: App maintenance is so much easier to all concerned when users don't need to continuously download and install updates
Which lead to "lazy sw release" -> We do not need to deliver quality since we can update it anytime.
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Rage wrote: But the fact it pays does not say it is good.
And your opinion that it isn't good because it's a browser app is non sequitur.
Rage wrote: These are trivial transactions with a server.
But they are a helluvalot more complex than just "browsing the internet."
Rage wrote: Do you design 3D models in your browser ?
I haven't but there are some out there that do this very well.
Rage wrote: We do not need to deliver quality since we can update it anytime.
Another non-sequitur. What a silly claim. Where the app runs has nothing to do with its quality.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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Silver lining though... at least MS is forcing you to create accounts now to steal all your data. 
Jeremy Falcon
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"In order to play the game, one must have pieces on the board."
- Gary Wheeler on codeproject.com, 07-23-2024 1:36pm
Software Zen: delete this;
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I refuse the new Outlook. Don't know how bad it is on a Windows machine but on a Mac it is abysmal. How would a muckity-muck know if you were using the old UI verses the new UI anyway?
Yes, I saw he discovered it was Teams. Still my question stands.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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Progress involves making (sometimes unpleasant) compromises/learning/Adaption now and then. It has always been the same from W?->W2K->WXP->W7->W10->W11->W?XYZ
modified 23-Jul-24 14:42pm.
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My experience is that pretty much anything corporate must be destroyed. HR, CTO offices, most of Legal and CFO offices, half of the executive management...
Corporatum dicasteria delenda sunt!
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It's too bad Scott Adams got cancelled for speaking the truth about an incident. This would have been perfect fodder for Dilbert.
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Long time Outlook (new) user here. Yeah, it is simplified. But at least quick and it displays HTML mails and does not route you to IE 11 to show them.
- The folder list is not even alphabetically ordered but Favorites is your place to arrange
- Links: definitively working for me. Corporate IT thing?
- You can edit the link just like in for ex. Excel, select it and press the same button you have used to add it, the same edit box will appear pre-filled with previous data
- It is a Windows 8+ style modern application, it runs in the background. I get new mail notifications without running it, sometimes more than I would like to get. Search it in the applications and services list, click once, choose Special settings and will see it. If not, then Corporate IT thing?
All places backtranslated from Hungarian so maybe worded a bit different in the English Outlook/Windows settings.
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Peter Adam wrote: The folder list is not even alphabetically ordered but Favorites is your place to arrange
I shouldn't have to replicate my folders under Favorites.Peter Adam wrote: Links: definitively working for me. Corporate IT thing?
They're not smart enough. Besides, why would disabling editing links be an issue?
Software Zen: delete this;
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Outlook at it's **very best** (a long time ago) was a total disaster.
I refuse outright to use it.
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Not to worry. The new Teams sucks, too. No more Contacts list in the chat, the only choice is to have them ordered by the latest active one. Unless you go through the hassle of "pinning" them. Cartoonish emojis are another "feature". You'll love it. 
Da Bomb
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I used it for about 10 minutes and went back to the old version. I didn't like several of the features, including when you change the message sort, with a message selected, it would re-sort and go to the top message. Not very helpful if I sort by sender and was trying to group messages from 'Paul'.
I also don't need/want an email client that attempts to tell me important or unimportant. I can do that in about 3 seconds per email and I know I'm correct in my doing it.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group,
I just had to check this out. I'm not sure why the Startup folder might be handled differently, but I just created a shortcut to the EXE on my Desktop folder, and double-clicking it started the app just fine. If shortcuts located in the Startup folder perform the same action, I would have to assume it would work.
(I have tons of stuff loaded right now and this is not a good time for me to log out/back in just to verify this)...
I found the path to the EXE by right-clicking on olk.exe in Task Manager's Details tab, and selecting Open File Location.
The EXE is in a folder that contains the version number in its path, so I would assume sooner or later the shortcut is gonna get broken, but that's an easy fix.
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dandy72 wrote: I found the path to the EXE by right-clicking on olk.exe in Task Manager
I didn't try that. Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it.
Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing. Having to find the executable, create a shortcut to that executable, and then have to repair the shortcut after updates is cumbersome and sloppy.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it.
Add the Command Line column in Task Manager's Details tab. It'll be shown there. Bonus: if it was started with command line args, you'll see them there too, which means you can add them also to your shortcut.
Gary Wheeler wrote: Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing
And for the longest time, people were complaining about the opposite - all apps tried to auto-start, even though you didn't want them to, and the hunt was on to make them stop...
Personally (and ideally), I only reboot my system after Patch Tuesday, so clicking on the taskbar icon once a month to start Outlook is something I'll put up with.
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dandy72 wrote: I only reboot my system after Patch Tuesday
Unfortunately corporate IT reboots our machines at the drop of a hat. Any hat. Hats in Cleveland (we're in Dayton Ohio).
Between that and the fact that I do the installers for our product (which usually requires a reboot), it would be annoying.
Software Zen: delete this;
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there was an old saying, "nobody got fired buying from IBM." Then it got changed to Microsoft.
I do not think it's reasonable to have outlawed napalm, and I believe cluster munitions have their purpose.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I do not think it's reasonable to have outlawed napalm, and I believe cluster munitions have their purpose
I'm still searching for a bicycle-mounted anti-tank weapon. Just the thing for BMW's, Audi's, and red pickup trucks, all nemeses of mine on my commute to work when I ride my bike.
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ponder that. legally being allowed to blow off the rear end of a BMW or Audi... as long as you are on a bicycle...
An armed society is a polite society.
Name the book.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: An armed society is a polite society.
Sounds like Robert Heinlein, either from Time Enough For Love (Notebooks of Lazarus Long), or possibly from Number Of The Beast.
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Heinlein for sure... wrong books though... no googling 
The Gunshops of Mars is the reference.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Hmm. It's been years since I did my last complete re-read. With Mars as the clue, it's either Stranger In A Strange Land (Jubal Harshaw has to be the character) or maybe Starship Troopers (Dubois in that case).
Software Zen: delete this;
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