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Mike Hankey wrote: Or designed by the sales team.
But still implemented by monkeys! 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Agreed
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We all know an infinite number of monkeys will eventually write the complete works of Shakespear, but the same can't be said for sales monkeys.
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At least MyHyundai is not essential, we recently got a notice that our bank no longer supports our current android version and Google play said the latest version was not compatible with our phones. Then the network provider decided to discontinue 3g. And I was becoming pissed off with Samsung so new phones all round in our household.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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It could be considered essential.
One of the things I use it for is to lock the car remotely after it's been serviced because the technicians always park finished cars in their lots without locking them.
So I can make sure it's locked during that window of time of after it's finished and before I show up to get it.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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After two androids from two different manufacturers both received only one security/os update at year one, I finally caved and switched to iPhone.
This was a few years ago when there were lots of scary security issues that were not being patched for my device.
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Has it occurred to you that you are about to get emails to buy a new car?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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My dad a few years ago was all gung-ho about Hyundai's BlueLink app, which let him get some data about his Palisade on his phone (he's not a smartphone guy). It didn't work. Even after a clean install, it always got stuck in a launch/crash/relaunch loop, and I could only get control of the phone back after a full reset. I told him clowns put the app together and the best he could do was to complain at the dealer to pass it on up and wait for a new version of the app. He ended up changing phones (LG -> Samsung), which did work. I guess Hyundai only tests with the most popular brand, even both ran the latest version of Android.
A few years later, he changed his Palisade for a newer year model. He was struggling again with the BlueLink app. It was still linked with his older vehicle, that he traded at the dealer. We could still track where it was, how much gas was left in the tank, turn on the engine remotely, etc.
Try as I might, I cannot find where to unlink from the existing car and link it with the new one.
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Oh my, that's frightening!
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Oh my, that's frightening!
Well, it's simply linked with the car in exactly the same way it was when my dad owned the vehicle. It's doing what it should be doing by design.
There's nothing that would prevent anyone in a similar situation and with malicious intent from remotely starting the vehicle numerous times a night, and if it's parked in a garage attached to a house, asphyxiate an entire family. This sort of thing has been in the news before (although maybe not intentionally and done remotely as far as I know).
Manufacturers either don't think about these things, or don't care.
As I said, my dad isn't a smartphone guy and doesn't think about these things (or doesn't think about potential ramifications); had I known ahead of time before he traded in the car, I would've told him to at least (a) get the dealer to unlink the vehicle from the app and (b) disable the garage door opener, as I'm sure the current owner - unless he's replaced it with his own - could drive by and open my dad's garage with the button in his car.
Heck, I've lost count of the number of times where people have shown me their "new" car they bought second-hand, and I've shown them the previous owner's phone details, and things like where they live and work because they forgot to clear the "Home" and "Work" buttons from the GPS software.
If dealers don't smarten up, car owners need to.
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I've been steeped in Microsoft development since my first PC in the late 1980's. And I have not investigated Apple since the Apple ][e came out.
How does Apple spying compare to Microsoft spying? (More, less or the same?)
I'm trying to establish whether my Sister will gain any privacy by switching to a Mac.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
modified 6-Jul-24 16:46pm.
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I'm not a Mac user (although I own a Gen 5 circa 2010 iPod Nano that I like very much because it offers gapless playback) but it seems you can use a Mac without having to tie it to an Apple ID. But by doing that you won't be able to:
- download apps from the Mac App Store
- use iCloud services (like iCloud Drive, iCloud Photos, etc.)
- sync data across Apple devices
- use Apple Music or access your previous iTunes purchases
- use services like FaceTime, iMessage, or Apple Books
- get software updates through the App Store (you can still get macOS updates through System Preferences
If you're a dev, I expect you'll need an Apple ID in order to use Xcode but am not sure.
/ravi
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Is it possible to purchase Mac application software from third parties?
Don't tell me that the only place to get applications is from the Apple app store?
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I doubt it. Methinks one would be forced to buy them from the App Store.
So unlike the MS Windows ecosystem where there are large numbers of freeware, freemium and commercial apps that don't require you to buy them from the Microsoft Store.
/ravi
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Don't tell me that the only place to get applications is from the Apple app store?
The EU has been after Apple for years because of that. Moreso on the phone/tablet/watch than the Mac, perhaps, but it's my understanding they're locking down the Mac more and more with each new version, not the other way around.
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Yes, it is. We use non Apple software on the Mac in our theatre. Fully supported.
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I love my nano... probably one of the sexiest devices Apple has brought to market. When I'm hiking, I would MUCH rather have a nano than a mother flucking E$%$#^%^&$^#RE heavy, pull my shorts down, etc cell phone.
I suppose there might be newer alternatives out there....
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I think it's best to assume that all of these megacorps are sphincters in bed with the NSA.
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I guess a lot depends on the meaning of the word "spying". Are you talking about them accessing data on your machine without your permission? I don't have any proof that any of them do that. Are you talking about them knowing some personal information about you? Yes, they both do that.
In my particular case, it would be impossible for them not to know anything about me as they both send me invoices for services and they take money from my credit card. Do I mind? No, not really. Apple knows my tastes in music and Apple Music proposes a lot of songs based on my preferences. I also like to store stuff on Microsoft OneDrive so I can access it from anywhere. I use many services and companies providing those services have access to some private information. I prefer to think they don't use that information for nefarious purposes.
Mircea
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I think in the grand scheme of things apple will mine your data, but not like Microsoft, Linkedin or google. That said, there is a dark side to apple... darth vader level. Hear my sad story....
so, a few years ago, I started to dabble in Apple stuff. I gave in to the family and signed up for a family plan that gave us "free" apple iphones. Now I honestly don't give a flying elephant about the phone. The camera is useful (I'm from the era where we just don't take an infinite number of pictures of everything) other than that, I get maybe 10 real calls a month and about a 1000 spam.
Next up, I started tinkering with a virtual machine running macOS. This is called a hackintosh, but it's okay, I bought a miniMac to play with as well. The problem is that ALL of these devices Apple coordinates with... so about a year ago, Apple tried to update or backup or attempt to do something useful on my phone. My iPhone is an 11xr - old yes but perfectly functional. Whatever apple did, the phone lost 95% of my contacts. Then Apple synced, and my VM and minimac lost all of the contacts...
helpful like a chainsaw.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: How does Apple spying compare to Microsoft spying? (More, less or the same?)
Consider every Apple device owner has an Apple Advertising ID. They have a rather large advertising business unit. The difference is that Apple's Reality Distortion Field(tm) makes most of their customer base deny there are such things. Now watch the fanbois come out of the woodwork to somehow "correct" me here...
And yes, I am conflating advertising with spying. You can't do the former effectively without the latter. To me they're one and the same. Whether they're reselling collected data to third parties or not is immaterial to me--it's the fact that it's being collected at all I object to.
"Everybody does it" is no excuse. We used to be able to buy computers where the only piece of data that got back to the manufacturer came from the registration card, that you could choose whether to fill yourself or not.
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Thanks for that perspective!
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Now, if any of you know me here, there is one issue that just burns me. Microsoft forced updates rebooting **** for seriously stupid reasons. I think that decision deserves a baseball bat to the knees of the person who made that decision. But wait, maybe it was made by committee. Fine, more baseball bats and I'll start a lottery of who wants to whack a knee.
Why do I bring this up now? Well, I'm trying to stage a virtual machine for my customer before I disappear into the retirement cloud. I'm clicking on Windows Update. It will not install. It won't download. I've been at this for 4 hours. Grrrr.
Elephanting clowns.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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[Some general, deep in the bowels of the Pentagon]
Nuke Redmond; It's the only way!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I wish, but the Pentagon, in an infinite amount of stupidity has pushed their stuff to the cloud being assured it was secure.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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