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But watch out for the rocking chair.
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Does RD still have "Laughter is the Best Medicine", does RD still exist? I remember reading that as a kid - over 50 years ago!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ?
Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ?
I know that cppreference.com has a French translation.
Thanks.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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[Rant]
You're in Quebec, right?
Please don't take this the wrong way, but as an outsider looking in (I'm in Ontario but regularly watch the news from Quebec): Get rid of all your politicians who push the French propaganda. All of them - they're not doing their constituents any favor.
They'll have you believe if you learn English, then somehow French is at a disadvantage and it'll eventually disappear from la belle province. You can learn English without anyone's French being affected at all. Many countries teach kids many languages (and more than just French and English) - I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who'll claim their mother tongue has somehow been diminished as a result.
I've always believed, if you don't learn English in this country, you're placing yourself at a disadvantage. I know English is taught in Quebec schools, but they hold up their noses and abhor teaching it, so they do the absolute minimum and certainly don't encourage anyone to do more outside the school curriculum (like, read a book, or go see a movie in its original language).
I'm familiar with your posts here on CP, and frankly I can't hold anything against you - your English is pretty darn good, and if you speak with an accent, then it's not coming through in writing - more power to you. But the fact that you have to ask, tells me something's still inadequate. Or maybe you're asking on someone else's behalf - but the point still remains, if the only language you speak is an impediment towards learning a programming language - you're facing two uphill battles, not one.
I get annoyed every time I see those commercials where different people keep repeating, "ici, on travaille en francais". My reaction is always: sorry for your lost opportunities then.
I've had this conversation with many friends in Quebec. They rarely disagree - none of this is their fault, this is what the schools are teaching. To which always say, then throw your politicians out, they're the ones making decisions on your behalf. They'll have you believe French is in a big decline right now in Quebec. I've never seen anyone ever offer any numbers to demonstrate it. As a voter, insist on having your schools teach the skillsets you need to compete. They're holding you back.
[/Rant]
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Maximilien wrote: The same way a german might want to have german language resources for C++
I've given similar advice there; learn English and use an international keyboard.
It gives you access to more resources; CodeProject, SO, MSDN - all English. Also makes sharing code across borders a lot easier. Even if you're from a country where English is being taught in school, it is an easy language to learn. And that it works is proven by your English question, getting answers from a lot of non-native English speakers. (Which includes American and Australian).
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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...and as I wrote, being familiar with your contributions here in the lounge, I was surprised to see you ask for this - that's why I inquired whether this was for yourself, or you were asking on behalf of someone else.
I truly hope that, unlike Mircea, you're not seeing any of this as a personal attack.
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I have no issues with English resources; I've been working in English all my professional life (30 years)
I just want to find French resources.
If there are none, there are none; if there are some, I'd like to know them.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Fair enough.
I just remember being very disappointed with the French programming books I was being offered or had to buy while in college. Very expensive (but then, aren't all college books?), and absolute crap. I had concluded back then that:
(a) being a good programmer
(b) being able to communicate clearly
(c) in the language of your choice
(d) actually wanting to write a book
...is a rare combination. I was always underwhelmed with the results.
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Not to mention that it does not pay much, if it pays at all.
But one might get other opportunities from it.
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: You might have had a bad day but still...
Please don't assume you can attribute this to me having "a bad day". This is something I see all the time, and every time, you'll get the same response - it infuriates me. I love my Quebec compatriots, Quebec is literally right across the river from me, French is my mother tongue, I have many friends and family in Quebec, but I get annoyed every time I see their politicians doing something to deliberately hold them back from realizing their full potential. Scaring the population ("French is in decline!" has been their rallying cry) buys them votes. It's ugly.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Also I don't see how your post is not infringing on house rules (the stuff about no trolling).
It's not trolling if you truly feel the way I do. Trolling is goading someone, generally through a personal attack. This was NOT a personal attack, I thought that much was clear in my post. I was purely commenting on what should not be a necessary need to look for coding resources in French. You're limiting yourself to a very small subset of what's out there if that's all you can deal with. If you've detected anger in my post, it was directed at Quebec politicians, who -- as I wrote -- refuse to provide their population with the schooling they need to compete and succeed.
Not too long ago, I had a discussion with the 80-something year old father of a friend of a friend, who lived all his life in Quebec. He would've loved to learn English beyond "hello", "yes", "no" and "I have a red pencil case". He felt he's missed opportunities because of it. We're on the same page.
Granted, my answer was not directly useful to the original poster here. My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with. Again, that's not a personal attack (in case I need to remind you).
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While I understand (and partially share) the passion of your convictions, I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions. Politics is a topic off-limits in the lounge, or so I understand it, and commenting about what politicians do is almost by definition politics.
dandy72 wrote: My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with.
I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences.
That being said, let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: the passion of your convictions
That's the wording I was looking for. I react this way, because I am passionate about this stuff. When I get into it - I've had people - IRL, not just in a forum - tell me to just let it slide; it's not like I should embark on my own crusade. While they're not wrong...this leads to the status quo. Well, okay. It shouldn't be my battle to fight.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions.
I can't say you're wrong. This is politics, I couldn't spin it otherwise even if I wanted to, and I'm very well aware of CP's stance on the topic. So...yeah. :-/
Mircea Neacsu wrote: I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences.
Absolutely not...but (as I suggested in one of my later responses to him), he should prepare himself to be disappointed. I have bad memories of my own time in college and the French programming books I was presented.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along
I was going to take exactly that position, but then, you're absolutely right - that would be such a Canadian thing for me to do.
Sorry, moving along.
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Wait, there's still people learning C++?
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Vous avez une violation d'accès.
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We have a number of French members here (or who claim France as their country). Why not try seeking them out and asking them?
I am not sure if the Who's who list allows you to search for such people but you could try the C++ forums.
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(From CP newsletter)
AI companies have all kinds of arguments against paying for copyrighted content - The Verge[^]
There is a real point in there about tracking down all of the owners and what they would actually be paid.
As an example consider the following real case...
You might know Lovecraft and you might even know of Cthulhu. But have you read the stories? I suspect not many people have. Perhaps because they were often (always?) a grind to get through.
There were other authors for that genre but can you name any of them?
Years ago I read a small publication that did gothic horror.
The editor of that publication (small magazine) made the point that he wanted to preserve all of those that he could find. Because some had not be published in any form for decades. And the original source material was being destroyed (books being trashed over time).
He could publish the stuff again. Thus preserving it.
But tracking down the copyright owners was an impossible task. It would just cost too much just to do only that. And then paying them anything at all just was not going to happen. (Having done some publishing myself I am rather certain this magazine was not making much at all.)
And there are very few other people even concerned about that.
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So now back to the link above.
Consider that googling suggests there are 28 million public repos on github. Who owns them? How do you contact each of them? Github is of course not the only code repository either.
Also consider how many of those repos you have used. And did you check the license? Did you pay them? Do you think everyone in your company did?
Now perhaps AI is just learning how to construct web pages. Googling says there are 200 million active/maintained websites. But a total of 1 billion. How does one track down the owner of a website that isn't even being maintained?
There are 2 million accessible books on the internet. Presumably most name the author. But is any other information provided? Used to be that any book actually in print in the US had the Library of Congress id but I have certainly seen a number of books where that is no longer true. One book I saw did not even have a 'title' page - although it probably did have a web contact of some sort in the back.
How are you going to train your next AI project when you cannot legally access any of that information? Any new rules on that will not just impact the big companies.
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jschell wrote: how many of those repos you have used.
Zero. Done.
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What they're objecting to, specifically, is paying to use copyrighted material when training AI. This is interesting because anyone can borrow a book from a library and "train" themselves without paying the copyright owner. The counterargument for AI would have to be bandwidth. A trained person can handle one client at a time, whereas an AI program is easily replicated to handle a large number.
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