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2-Nov-23 16:32

I've got it in one twice. My starting word was ocean and I changed it to canoe for better letter placement

Re: worldle 650 1/6

ChandraRam3-Nov-23 0:39

ChandraRam

3-Nov-23 0:39

There is an additional "L" in there...

This isn't Wordle he is referring to Smile | :)

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Is visual basic dead?

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 9:13

2-Nov-23 9:13

I feel like I've not seen any vb.net roles in some time.. Is it still being built or is it dead?

dandy722-Nov-23 9:35

2-Nov-23 9:35

[Edit]

Ignore me. I started writing about how MS had recently re-iterated for the Nth time that VB was really, really dead and they were about to not only disable it, but actually remove the runtime. Which you still can reinstall if you really want to.

But that was VBScript. Pardon my confusion.

According to ChatGPT:

Quote:
Yes, Visual Basic is still officially supported by Microsoft 1. In fact, Microsoft updated its programming languages strategy in February 2023, confirming that Visual Basic will remain a going concern even though it’s still relegated to second-rate status when compared to C# and F#. The company remains committed to Visual Basic and continues to invest in maintaining C# interop and Visual Studio features for folks that love Visual Basic or want a stable language.

...which to me sounds a lot like they'll make sure you can still build with it, and access everything the common runtime has to offer, but just don't expect Microsoft to port new features beyond that.

To me, "second-rate status" says it all.

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 9:37

2-Nov-23 9:37

Look, every coder I've known who knew one language and refused to ever use another was using vb6 or vb.net. so it costs nothing to keep the lights on but never built any extensions.

dandy722-Nov-23 10:59

2-Nov-23 10:59

Well, by MS's common definition, something still under support will continue to get security fixes. Something completely out of support won't. So it's not like there is "no cost" in keeping it alive.

But I guess this is a rather unique case; if VB.NET compiles to the same CLR as C#, it's not likely there would be problems that are unique to VB.NET and thus give reason to MS to abandon it...(?)

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 11:02

2-Nov-23 11:02

Yeah it's minimal cost I think

MSBassSinger6-Nov-23 3:35

MSBassSinger

6-Nov-23 3:35

Christian Graus wrote:
every coder I've known who knew one language and refused to ever use another was using vb6 or vb.net

I certainly have known a few of those, but that is far more true in my experience with JavaScript programmers. Though a few decades ago, I remember a number of COBOL programmers like that, also.

I did not understand the value of not moving forward.

Member 147767016-Nov-23 15:39

Member 14776701

6-Nov-23 15:39

If I were younger, and still had a long career ahead of me, I would consider learning another language but it would probably be Python. Maybe C++ due to it's portability. But I must confess I still use a lot of software written in VB.Net. I still code in it as well. I have not found anything I could not do with it yet, so still works for me. I think some of the VB haters may be thinking of old MS Basic and that ilk which was pretty, well, basic. But VB. Net has very little in common with these ancient dialects. Today's VB has pretty much all the tools of other modern languages and the GUI building capabilities are awesome...

MSBassSinger6-Nov-23 15:41

MSBassSinger

6-Nov-23 15:41

I found switching between VB.NET and C# is not much of a challenge. Same underlying framework, just as few differences in syntax.

RedDk2-Nov-23 10:55

RedDk

2-Nov-23 10:55

dandy72 wrote:
ChatGPT

I don't know what to make of that.

dandy722-Nov-23 11:02

2-Nov-23 11:02

I queried it instead of Google. That's all that means.

I rather like the summaries it generates, rather than following link after link which lead to questionable results.

RedDk3-Nov-23 7:27

RedDk

3-Nov-23 7:27

Ok. In your defense, I just had a ChatGPT bot go off in my face without having clicked on any link anywhere. So all queasy feelings aside, you may proceed to the keep Cool | :cool:

modified 3-Nov-23 13:55pm.

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 11:25

2-Nov-23 11:25

I've asked the Bing AI programming questions and I am thrilled with the absolute confidence with which it tells me bullshit

Nelek3-Nov-23 6:50

Nelek

3-Nov-23 6:50

At least you can recongnise it is bullshit... I don't want to imagine how many wannabe coders are now copy+pasting from it and wondering why it doesn't work, which actually would be the best case, worst one is it compiles and works, but not as it should.

M.D.V.

If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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dandy723-Nov-23 8:45

3-Nov-23 8:45

As with any topic you ask any AI about, you're free to take the results at face value. Or not.

I've asked it for code snippets before. At least with code, it's generally easy enough to determine whether something works or not.

BobbyStrain2-Nov-23 9:48

BobbyStrain

2-Nov-23 9:48

I use it.

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 11:01

2-Nov-23 11:01

By choice?

BobbyStrain2-Nov-23 11:16

BobbyStrain

2-Nov-23 11:16

Yes. I also use C#. I don't do much anymore. I have a website built mostly in VB.net continuously expanding since 2005. At 80, the brain is not as sharp as it once was. I didn't start serious programming until about 2000. I used Microsoft Basic on a $3000 Epson CPM machine in 1983. When I started using VBA for Excel around 2000, I found that most of the MS Basic worked with little change. The people at this site have been quite helpful over the years.

Christian Graus2-Nov-23 11:24

2-Nov-23 11:24

I got serious about coding in 1999, and it was this site where I learned, I don't have a degree. So yes, it's been very helpful. I am 54