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Try powering down a monitor (not the computer), if you have a combination of HDMI/VGA (where the HDMI one is your primary).
I'll bet windows move around when the HDMI monitor is re-detected.
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dandy72 wrote: Try powering down a monitor
That is the test I did and mentioned above in this sub-thread.
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dandy72 wrote: Secondary monitors are connected via VGA and USB-to-VGA.
VGA? This a server? 
Jeremy Falcon
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My old 24" and 27" VGA monitors are working fine as secondary monitors, I'm not gonna replace them just because of the connection type they're using.
In fact the 24" is the last of a set of 3 identical ones I bought at the same time, and is still going. The two others died over time.
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I have 2 laptops on my desk, a "KVM" switch (it actually switches USB and video) and 6 monitors.
The primary monitor is directly connected to the "KVM" switch via VGA cable, the other 5 are connected via USB-to-VGA adapters, so when I push the button on the "KVM" switch, all 6 monitors, the mouse, keyboard and 2 printers (1 label, 1 inkjet) switch between my personal and work laptops.
I have thought about getting one big screen (like the witch) but firstly I don't think the laptops could drive one and secondly I find it useful to maximize windows to specific monitors.
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dandy72 wrote: Am I right to conclude that if you have a mixture of HDMI (primary) and VGA (secondary), when you power off the display connected via HDMI, its windows all move to the other displays? Or rather, the windows stay in place when the display is powered off, but move around to other monitors when the one connected via HDMI is powered back on...
Also, to address the question... not sure. I do know that Windows always had issues with window placement on laptops for external monitors. Can only assume it was signal related (or maybe power since monitors auto shut off, not sure).
It was such a problem that MS supposedly fixed it in Win11. I supposedly because it's not perfect, but it is better than on Win10.
Jeremy Falcon
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It's not a laptop, and power-saving is the first thing I disable with any PC I setup - including displays.
Something else maybe worthy of note - nothing changes when I power down a monitor (any of them). When I power the one using HDMI back on, I hear that noise Device Manager makes whenever it detects a new device. Not so when I power off/on any VGA display.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Windows always had issues with window placement on laptops for external monitors
My issue isn't with Windows, it's with the monitor manufacturer (LG). The "I ain't got no signal so I'm gonna power off" time is so short (3-4 seconds) that if I'm powering the entire machine up the monitor turns itself off before Windows sees it, which causes Windows to default to my laptop's display. I then have to futz with the Windows display settings to get it to see the external monitor again during the 3-4 seconds it stays alive. Round and round we go.
Once it works, it's great. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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I'm not sure that me case is a proof... but I have two HDMI monitors and when turning off the main all moves to the secondary... When turning it on everything stays there until computer restart...
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
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It's nonsense like this that led me to buying a large (55") 4k TV screen as my single monitor.
It is 4 1080p screens all in one. I can put two VS Code instances side by side, each with side docs open, and see everything fine.
Given my short term memory challenges it has paid for itself in spades in terms of my boosted productivity and I've not once had to deal with the monitor madness that comes from having more than one.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Well...the problematic display is exactly that - an LG 4K 40" TV connected via HDMI. So I have the same resolution as you do, only, with smaller pixels. I do get the 4x1080p goodness.
Combine that with additional monitors, and I'll bet you'll be seeing windows shift around when the TV powers back on.
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honey the codewitch wrote: a large (55") 4k TV screen as my single monitor
You have a young person's visual acuity.
I'm 62, my right eye is prosthetic, and I've had cataract surgery on the left. The largest practical monitor for me is 24" to have readable text without eyestrain or neck pain from swiveling.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I don't think windows cares how a display is connected. You can configure it to show any way you want
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Right, but what I suspect is happening is that - because I hear the "device connected" sound, just as if a new keyboard/mouse/printer/whatever device is connected, it gets added as a brand new device showing up dynamically in Device Manager, and then goes through this additional initialization phase that doesn't take place for VGA. And I think that's this extra initialization/reconfiguring of the desktop layout that messes up what goes where.
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Yeah, multiple monitors and windows is often a mystery. My previous setup was an ACER AIO with an external ACER HDMI monitor. Every now and again when the monitors switched off the external one did not switch on again. I had to power it off and on again to reactivate it. 2 months ago the AIO display died so I replaced it with a new desktop PC and a new display port monitor + the existing external HDMI monitor.
Ever since both monitors have never missed a beat: both of them switch off and on exactly when they are supposed to. The previous setup worked OK with windows 10 but behaved erratically with windows 11. The new setup again uses windows 11 but this time it works OK: go figure?
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I have a relative with a plain ol' desktop with a video card with two outputs, and once in a blue moon, one of the monitors won't get a signal. The solution is inconsistent. Powering off/back on, physically disconnecting/reconnecting exactly where everything was, swapping the connections and then back...it's never the same solution, but ultimately we've narrowed it down to these 3 options, so I stopped getting phonecalls...but I'm told it's still happening.
Very strange.
But, nothing to do with me in this case...
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You spend all night thinking your cat is a Docker container.
An NVidia CUDA 10.2 container to be precise.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I sometimes would like to put my cat in a container.
Unfortunately, that's considered animal abuse and so I just put up with her shenanigans 
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How do you take it to a vet then?
Amyone who has tried to pill a cat should get a purple heart. (Wounded in action medal in the States)
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I found a youtube video that saved my and my cat's lives, it's actually pretty easy if you get the right technique!
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next
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MarkTJohnson wrote: Anyone who has tried to pill a cat should get a purple heart
I had a cat who actually liked taking his pills. He had congestive heart failure and took 3-4 pills every evening. I'd yell "Time for your pills Raphie!" and Raphael would run to the laundry room door. He'd then hop on to the washer and I'd give him his pills.
Of course, the little bowl of canned food he got after taking his pills just might have had something to do with it.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I wasn't talking about that kind of container 
My previous cat was nearly impossible to take to the vet.
I couldn't grab her even in the best of times, let alone when I wanted to put her in a travel container 
The only time she was "relaxed" in her travel container was at the very end, and I so wished she wasn't 
My current cat doesn't like it, but I can easily grab her and she's pretty docile
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The last time I had a cat who didn't like getting in a carrier, we only had her in one when we first got her.
I needed a tetanus vaccination and a hefty dose of tetracycline in my right, er, cheek for the staph infection in my hand.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Good point.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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