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trønderen wrote: Don't forget that you need a grinder as well. If you love coffee, you never use pre-ground beans!
Extremism I don't do. Preground works, and all I need is hot water and I'm happy. I'm not a connoisseur, I just grew up with coffee. My parents did it in the bottle with lots of milk.
trønderen wrote: On the other hand: "Great coffee everywhere where there's electricity" - it works even with a campfire out in the forest! (as long as you have a manual, not electric, grinder - and of course you have that!)
A manual? You boil water, you pour it over the ground coffee. I'm teaching a six year old, 3 spoons of powder and boiling and dangerous water.
trønderen wrote: I never saw unroasted coffee in the food stores in my lifetime, and the only place to find a roasting kettle would be to steal one from a museum 
It was done out of need; now roasting your beans is just being pretentious. Can you heat an oven to the perfect temperature at the same price level as mass produced vacuum sealed preground beans?
I just want some bloody coffee in the morning. Think I roast and ground? I need coffee in 5 minutes. Just an addict, no fine coffee tastings here
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: It was done out of need; now roasting your beans is just being pretentious.
One man's 'need' is another man's pleasure . One guy I know went on a trip from Norway to the Netherlands just to buy the proper ingredients to mix his own ink. He does all his calligraphy - and that amounts to 90% of all his writing - using real goose feathers. His writing is pure artwork. But of course: He doesn't 'need' to do it that way ...
I certainly wouldn't call myself a 'connoisseur' by any standard, but there is a long line from 'not caring at all what it tastes like' to 'connoisseur' level. I am fully aware that freshly ground beans make a significantly richer aroma than pre-ground - so much that it certainly is worth the effort. (And by the way: I was referring to a manual grinder, as opposed to an electric one, not a manual for making coffee!)Eddy Vluggen wrote: Just an addict, no fine coffee tastings here
Fair enough. I've got friends having the same attitude towards moonshine.
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trønderen wrote: One man's 'need' is another man's pleasure . One guy I know went on a trip from Norway to the Netherlands just to buy the proper ingredients to mix his own ink. He does all his calligraphy - and that amounts to 90% of all his writing - using real goose feathers. His writing is pure artwork. But of course: He doesn't 'need' to do it that way ...
Most of us write as we do drink coffee; we not artists.
trønderen wrote: but there is a long line from 'not caring at all what it tastes like' to 'connoisseur' level.
Oh, I work in IT, did I tell you that? I'm familiar with quite a bunch of machines that present 'coffee' in one form or another.
trønderen wrote: so much that it certainly is worth the effort.
Here I disagree. My first was at three years, and I do not go any day without.
There's good coffee, there's bad. I do not roast my beans and still have ground powder that is saved in a CO2 seal after being perfectly burned.
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Some weeks ago our Quooker (boiling water tap) died and we were desperate, now we had to put the kettle on to make a cup of tea!
They refused to send someone to repair it, so I had to do it myself with a replacement tap they sent us 
Although only replacing the tap was a seemingly simple operation, things were complicated by the placement of the nut behind the sink.
Could not see a thing, and although I'm not religeous I was on my knees in a praying like pose for more than two hours.
Got it working luckily ...
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There is a special spanner for those nuts - it's called a "tap spanner" or "basin wrench":Silverline CB40 Adjustable Basin Wrench 280 mm : Amazon.co.uk: DIY & Tools[^]
Every time I need it, I'm so glad I got one!
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Doesn't look like any kind of tool I've seen before...I can't imagine how it would work.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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If you go to a hardware store and locate one, it'll be pretty obvious if you pretend your finger is a nut.
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If it takes you two hours to replace a tap, you are probably better off calling a plumber (or a handyman) to do the job. They have the tools to do it properly, and will do it in ten minutes. Don't forget that your time is also worth something!
Those of us with ten thumbs (like yours truly  ) don't really have a choice.
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I keep a plunger as backup ... can't live without my black coffee...
Graeme
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I just drink coffee Turkish-style - sweet, with the grounds at the bottom of the cup.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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At home when I was a kid, my Dad made what we call "cowboy coffee".
Ground coffee and water boiled in a deep pot or pan.
Pour carefully. I suspect it was WW2 and Korean War style coffee.
He worked in 24x7 MASH units so coffee was fuel.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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My dad used to make "Indian tea" 
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the full spectrum 
Back in the day, on old TV westerns in US,
coffee was made with pots of water and coffee grounds on an open fire.
Roughing it style.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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About the only thing I would trust the TV Westerns to get true to life was that the cowboys rode their horses (rather than the other way round). Everything else may have been sacrificed in order to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Just like french press or turkish coffee. With the press you physically separate gorund coffee and water after the extraction, with the turkish coffee you just let the powder deposit and drink it thorugh your front teeth, when you hit the gorund coffee you stop.
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jmaida wrote: Back in the day, on old TV westerns in US, coffee was made with pots of water and coffee grounds on an open fire.
Is that something particular to TV westerns in the US?
I consider that everyday (or everyweekend) practice when we go for a Sunday hike in the woods or mountains.
This refers to Norway. Maybe everyday practice in Norway is 'Roughing it style' by US standards 
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Early TV was just how the term "cowboy coffee' came to be more common. I agree. nothing unique. Roughing it or camp style was and is common.
I do recall my Mom would put egg shells in the pot to reduce acidity when it sat for a awhile.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Adding a raw egg to the boiling coffee will collect a lot of the grounds.
I heard this was a Scandinavian way to make coffee -- I don't know.
Best wishes -- Craig (I use a 1 cup coffee maker that heats the water and drips it through the grounds and into my mug.)
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Craig Robbins wrote: I heard this was a Scandinavian way to make coffee -- I don't know.
If you go 80-100 years back, it was common to use a 'clearing skin', giving off glue-like stuff that made the powder from the grinding stick together to form lumps that fell to the bottom, removing the 'fog' in the liquid coffee.
I thought that the clearing skin was fish skin (you can make glue from fish skin!). A couple of sources confirmed that, while others insisted that you use pieces of the swimming bladder from fish. One source claimed that clearing skin was made from the outermost 'skin' of boiled eggs, immediately inside the shell. Usually, when you shell a boiled egg, this skin follows the shell, not the white.
I wouldn't rule out that some may have used the whole egg, or more likely: The white. But in the old days, eggs were somewhat expensive foodstuff, while fish was cheap (/free from the sea if you lived by the coast). So I guess using eggs just to get your coffee clearer was limited to the upper classes. Middle and lower classes probably used fish products.
I have never seen anyone using a clearing skin (or egg) when brewing coffee in my lifetime.
(This is in Norway.)
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It's Alive!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Happened to me as well a couple of weeks ago, not the piston ring, a different seal, but you realize how dependent you get on those machines. 
The machine still has warranty, but a repair required me to order a postage box on the net, then post it to Italy, and receive it back god knows when.
So I ordered a ridiculously overpriced seal at a local hardware shop instead (with fast delivery).
And then I ordered a whole set of different seals on amazon to be prepared for the next breakdown.
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A moka pot will always have your back.
I also own a french press, because mokas can break too (also allows me a lot of freedom to experiment with my coffee).
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Yeah, I know what you mean:
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