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rnbergren wrote: don't really 'give' a sh!t one way or the other. Sorry. As long as a person communicates their intentions and needs to me and others.
I guess that the issue is whether that person actually does communicate their intention to others, or not. In some contexts, animal grunting may be sufficient, but not for intellectual conversation.
Unambiguous messages may be essential for conveying information. I have had students getting really pissed at me for pointing out that "feilmelding", "error message" in English, is quite different from "feil melding", "wrong message" in English. The students insisted that asking them to change their wording was nitpicking, because everybody would understand from context that they meant "error message", even when they wrote "wrong message".
Sorry, I am not buying that. I do not trust that when you say something, the listener (/reader) will interpret it as something else. We should enforce clear, unambiguous communication in our everyday lives. We should of course be tolerant of language mistakes from those who are not fluent in the local language, but that is quite different from saying that we should abandon all rules of wording, grammar and spelling - even when the receiver of the message can make at least some sense out of it. Essential details may still be missed.
I can't remember a single case where I have pointed out some language 'weakness', whether in choice of words, grammar or pronunciation, whether in English or Norwegian, where my corrections/comments have caused negative reactions. Maybe I make my comments in a respectful and positive way 
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Yes forcing them to have to keep track of these kind of stupid rules is a huge problem in the English language. This is one of many examples that can cause confusion.
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rnbergren wrote: As long as a person communicates their intentions and needs to me and others
Exactly. However whilst changing the meaning of words (or adding a new meaning) is one thing *, changing the rules of grammar, and changing the meaning of phrases, is something else.
An example above, trønderen cites "I could care less". This is an Americanism that has not yet made its way (thank goodness) into the UK. Currently, if I hear someone say "I could care less" I would assume that they care. More than not at all, anyway. If the phrase does cross the Atlantic, we'll have a period where it will be impossible to understand that phrase, unless we know the speaker well. That does NOT lead to clear communication. Similarly, the term "could of" instead of "could have" has become very common, yet it is meaningless. The speaker is not trying to equate the meaning of the words "of" and "have", they're just (literally) making a noise that sounds similar to what they've heard others saying. Since all they're doing is aping a noise, how can that be "communication" when they've clearly not understood the meaning of the words they're using? (What really confuses me is why people I've known for decades, and know how to speak English, are now very distinctly saying "I could of done this" and even writing it. Have their brains completely turned to mush?)
* Of course changing the meaning of words can be equally confusing, especially when "bad" now means "good" for example. If my teenage grand-daughter comes in from a meal out and says "wow, that was really bad. I mean, really sick." then I will continue to suggest she writes a letter of complaint and asks for her money back. If what is communicated is simply wrong, then no, I will NOT get what they were after in their communication.
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I assume you have got a problem with deviant grammar?
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr.PhD P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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I never been proper.
People are paying one for it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Has and have are almost always the correct verbs, by themselves. Add to your list people saying "I've got." They would not say "I have got" so the contracted form is not correct either. The correct phrase is "I have" or "he has." The word "got" is used redundantly far more often than it is used correctly.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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reading a great discussion like this i get goosebumps, and, a rhythmic tingle in the tangle of neurons in Broca's area in the inferior frontal gyrus ...
as the song says, "Who could ask for anything more ?" Kate Smith: I Got Rhythm (with lyrics) - YouTube[^]
i propose that the appropriateness of semantic choices to express "possession or ownership" is culture and context bound ... for those who can be aware of the choices, and make conscious or intuitive decisions on which to use ... that is one thing ... for those who simply use what they are accustomed to, independent of context ... that is a very different thing.
in broad terms, i would say "get and got" are less formal than "have and had." But, "get" is more a verb.
excuse me while i go get lunch: today i think i'll have ... tuna salad.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Most people today are destroying the English language (at least in the States). There are no such words as "wanna" and "gonna" but these two atrocities appear in everything from news articles to web postings.
The proper lexicon is "want to" and "going to" but who cares anymore? As long as the point gets across.
People are no longer forced to use English correctly because it may hurt their feelings or something.
Its always about someone's feelings. What about simply growing up?
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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"Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper."
In formal English neither is correct, you're missing the subject. To be complete sentences they should be something like "I've got a programming question" or "I have a programming question," but that's a matter of interpretation because those sentence fragments are missing important info, which is the point.
In informal English though, it's common to drop implied bits when they are understood in context. So in informal speech, sentence fragments like that are fine, both of them. It's a form of informal abbreviation. Dropping the "have" in "I've got" to just "got" is a similar form of abbreviation.
Have/got are both fine if used correctly, but most go with "have" for reasons of style. "Have" is more common in formal English but "got" is not incorrect.
modified 20-Oct-22 14:39pm.
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I got rabies. I have a lot of questions about rabies.
Typo - I meant babies.
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Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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The Windows 11 "taskbar" is a disgrace. It should be at the left of the screen, with real icons, with text, with progress, etc.
So I declined the "upgrade" to Abomination 11.
I can only hope they will continue to honor my choice...
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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Happiness will never come to those who fail to appreciate what they already have. -Anon
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Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Google has started with a new pop up notification that ask if you want to sign in with your Google Account
So far it only happens when I am not logged in to CP and I read a Lounge Post
It also happens with I read a Twitter Account Post
Some how I feel this is an intrusion and would like to block this !
YES I tried a few suggestions from a DuckDuckGO search NO LUCK
Suggestions that work are welcome
I am using FireFox and the Duck and Google for searching
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