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dandy72 wrote: German sounds so angry
At least not in Bavaria region. I found it very singy-songy. The hello itself is a give away. 
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Was that the work of a traitor who let the inner names escape?
They burn him/her/it in effigy every New Year's Eve. It's their equivalent of the UK's Guy Fawkes Night
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Is it just to have a secret language to use between yourselves
Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand. How else are the locals going to comment on the stupidity, unreasonableness, etc. of the tourists without offending them?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand.
Now here's a question: what would Americans use for all those stupid and rude Europeans... wait a sec... something is wrong 
Mircea
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Sander Rossel wrote: 12 Angry Men, translated as The 12 Jurors
Now, why would they go and do that? It changes the whole meaning of the title.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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To be fair, the men are jurors.
Except in the Dutch title they could be happy, anxious, or anything else but angry 
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Well sure, the men are jurors and nearly the complete cast. But it's the fact that they are all angry (except for Henry Fonda's character, so really it should have been 11 angry men lol) and ready to immediately convict based on their assumptions about the accused without deliberation that gives the film and play its name.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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...as the language for teaching newcomers? That what they did at my daughter's school...
She asked me if it is a good one - I told it is, to not to confuse her, but to be honest I'm not sure of it entirely...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I have no problem with the basic language (it's similar to Java), but recent changes appear to be mostly syntactic sugar. If I were teaching the language, I would leave those out until the students were competent in the basics.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Was thinking exactly about that - how to build the lessons...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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It's possible to set the C# language version on the project, version 7.0 should provide a good baseline for students.
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I use LangVersion 3, I'd still with that.
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Seems like a reasonable choice to me, comparable or better compared to common alternatives (Java or C++).
As long as it gets taught in "C-like C# first, fancy things after" kind of order, and doesn't immediately start to confuse with too much "magic".
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I used it to teach programming to an Art Major (female), and to both my boys that have mathematical minds.
All 3 are developers now and do very well in several other languages.
The result was that they learned well what they should and should not do in programming because it really takes away (C# does) the good-programmer responsibility of not doing stupid stuff like accessing linked lists with modify before addressing the possibility of collisions.
Having said that, I think the basis and the simple things need to be learned first, not matter what the language.
Beginning with concepts that would allow the student translate their programming logic to any other language is paramount to their formation.
My two bits.
Tony G.
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I'd say yes - it makes pretty sure the code works before it lets it run (unlike Python), it starts simple, but builds to some incredible power (unlike PHP), and it's a real language (unlike VB).
The error messages and the IDE itself are second to none, and the integrated debugging support is worth it's weight in gold for a beginner.
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I hope they will learn how to use that debugger - I've seen courses where there was not a word about it...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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Show her yourself - she'll spread it round the class ... and maybe the teacher will learn something!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Ahhh memories of 'learning' BBC basic and amazing the Teacher with the trance on or tr. on command... 
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She already has some problems to accept authority of teachers - I would not ride that horse if not necessary... 
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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If a so-called teacher doesn't know their subject, they deserve contempt. No one, teachers included, deserves respect merely by virtue of their job title.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Do we live in the same country? 
(I used to be like her - it wasn't easy on me, so I decided to try and lead her on different paths...)
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Do we live in the same country?
Geographically - yes. 
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: (I used to be like her - it wasn't easy on me, so I decided to try and lead her on different paths...)
At age 58, I am like her. As you say, it's not easy, but all I need out of life is to support my family and enjoy my hobbies. World-conquering can wait.
My biggest problem is managers who see my age and experience, and want to "promote" me from specification, design, and coding to a managerial or a "people-facing" position. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: My biggest problem is managers who see my age and experience, and want to "promote" me from specification, design, and coding to a managerial or a "people-facing" position.
Hit them hard and run!!!
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I'm retired now but I love the tech so much that I avoided managerial positions like the plague. I have been a tech lead but that's as close as I went.
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I've worked hard to stay at the bottom of the corporate ladder.
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Absolutely: respect is something you earn, not deserve.
Being treated respectfully until you prove yourself unworthy is a different thing altogether.
Generally speaking, those who demand respect are the least worthy of it in my experience.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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