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In normal, modern cars (except the Chrysler mangled Jeep) they are well separated with only a few allowed messages on the bus and private networks.
Tesla is designing cars starting without zero previous knowledge of automotive standards and why those standards are in place. Teslas are expensive, highly polluting and socially dangerous toys.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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abmv wrote: and a few minutes later, the car rebooted
In all those movies.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I hope the on-board computer was cited for overclocking speeding.
/ravi
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Best reply I've seen on CP in ages, Ravi!
Software Zen: delete this;
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Friend of a friend with a prosthetic leg claimed multiple tickets dodged by “my leg slipped off and jammed the accelerator”.
Usually involved a dramatic fall from the car door and ripping the leg from the accelerator.
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this is why you need manual control in case automaiton goes wrong
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abmv wrote: causing ... system to shut off in order to protect on board components during drive
Maybe they need to prioritise the "on-board components" a little differently. I'm willing to be classed as an "on-board component" if it means I don't get killed. 
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I would believe him!
I have gotten two software recall notices on my 2021 Ford F150 in the last 3 months.
One causes the transmission to shift into neutral while driving down the highway when it thinks that the transmission fluid pressure is too low.
The second causes the integrated electric brake controller to fail when towing a trailer. (I do a lot of trailering.)
Just a few days ago, the center console display was all jittery, jumping around, changing shading (night to day to night). I had to stop, shut off the engine and restart to clear the problem.
My 2012 F150 rolled when EPAS (Electronic Power Assisted Steering) software took over the steering when I hit a big dip in the road. I ended up hanging upside down by the seat belt.
I will not ride in a computer controlled car without my seat belt fastened anymore--I don't trust the computers!
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Hi All,
Just to let you and ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) know I am still around! Haven't signed in at work yet the Net Nazi's will block first and questions later! (wondering if CP is on there good books?) The worse part is the early start 07:30 (have to leave on the 06:20 train!!!) still getting paid is better than not, I tend to sit in the corner shaking drinking ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) until around 08:30 to 09:00 when I can do something other than dribble! Cheers Glenn
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Great!
I think that the Southern Hemisphere folks are the only ones who have to worry about falling off.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Haven't you seen one of those maps with south at the top? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I wasn't exactly planning on buying any car until this morning since I'm still on my learner but fast forward a few hours and I have a Hyundai i30 in my parking. Not even sure if it's considered "perfect" for somebody's first car but who cares. It complements me and I'm just super excited to finally be part of the club 
modified 18-Apr-22 10:48am.
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Most modern cars are fine for a first choice these days. The most important thing is that you enjoy driving it.
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It's a hell of a lot better than my first car. My first car was a turd on wheels.
Congrats!! 
modified 18-Apr-22 10:14am.
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Mine was a Lancia Beta HPE 2000.
Three years old, and already melting away ...
Nice car when it was running, but a PITA to work on when it wasn't.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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1971 Plymouth Ruster Duster purchased in 1979 for US $100 ... I paid too much!
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1977 Chevy Nova. Ten months later I totaled it and bought a 1978 Chevy Nova.
Both New England rust buckets.
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Craig Robbins wrote: 1971 Plymouth Duster
So weird that this is the exact "turd on wheels" I was referring to.
My dad bought it from a neighbor for $300. When I eventually turned it in to get a new pickup truck they asked me how much I thought it was worth, I said 50 cents. They new I was not joking.
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My second was a Simca with a years MOT (UK safety test) which I bought for £10. And sold it back to the guy I bought it off of a year later when the MOT ran out for the same £10!
Gawd, but that was a POS. Great for driving in London though, as nobody blocked it in as it was obvious that ramming their car out of the way wouldn't have added much to the existing dents, scratches, and broken bits ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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In 1968, I bought 1956 Black Chevy convertible with white top. Beautiful car, but a load of trouble as time wore on.
First brakes, then front end alignment. Next carburetor. Then transmission. Lost reverse. Drove it for full year with no reverse. Yes, it can be done, until inspection hits you. But that car looked great. Check it on web.
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1974 Audi 100LS - bought in 1980 for $1600
Normally aspirated 1.9L inline 4 cylinder (91hp) paired with a 3 speed automatic transmission. 
Crappy mileage, crappy ride, HORRIBLE performance.
Fairly roomy backseat so it worked well as a "date" car in HS. Just sayin' 
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Mine was a Lancia Beta HPE 2000.
That’s why it was called a Beta, they hadn’t got around to finishing it 😁
modified 6-Sep-22 21:01pm.
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