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I'm surprised you said that 
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Thank you for the diagram.
My eye always gloss over when I read the clues.
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You're welcome!
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Trying to get to the point of being able to pull the trigger on a re-do of the kitchen. We're not going crazy, but it's still big bucks. I think I have a good contractor, but his cost estimation software blows. Don't even ask me how we get the gas range my wife wants . Damn Italians, no offense, but you make great looking stoves.
On a happier note: Anniversary #43 is tomorrow. And she has *no* idea what her present is. Yeah, I'm knocking her socks off (besides the damn kitchen, but I want that too, so it doesn't count).
If you've never done a kitchen re-do, you are in for a treat. We just want a 36" dual fuel gas range. This means gas burners on top, true electric convection oven below (so why not say so?). So, $3,500 USD give or take later, let's talk range hoods. There are millions of houses designed such that the range hood recirculates into the kitchen. It's total BS and a complete design fail. I'm done with it. I want a real range hood over the new stove. $3,500 for a range hood?  
Good thing I'm on vacation.
Charlie Gilley
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Kitchen make overs are extremely expensive, especially now when everyone seems to be taking advantage of the Covid shortages.
Luckily we finished ours before the big shortage and we did all the work so it wasn't as bad.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
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Prices are coming down. I'm on the backend of the curve. The funny thing, the sales/quoter/estimator does not understand what a hard requirement is.
He says, "for us to get started, 40% down." <- material purchases I understand. That's a hard requirement for me.
Me: I want a real range vent exhausting to the outside, quote says "vent to exterior wall if possible." bzzzz we have a problem mission control.
I just don't have the time to do all the work, and it needs to be done quickly. I live in this warp bubble. If I try to do on the side work, like renovate a kitchen or do some side work for another company, my primary customer never fails to go bat crap crazy.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I understand the work and time involved, I've done many over the years.
Just be sure you hire someone reputable, at 40% down that's quite a bit up front.
Good luck
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
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charlieg wrote: He says, "for us to get started, 40% down." <- material purchases I understand. That's a hard requirement for me.
I once had electrical work done where I purchased all of the supplies. Then I did not have to pay the electrician anything until the job was complete. If he had bailed part way through, I'm not out anything because the supplies would be needed no matter who is doing the work. Paying for labor up front is just a recipe for disaster these days.
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just an update: I don't know squat about cabinets other than they cost big $$. I suppose I could buy them myself.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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We had to replace out stove/oven a couple of years ago, $14k got the one that SWBO desired.
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must have been a hell of a stove, or there was other work involved.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Nope a 1.2m double oven with teppanyaki plate and 6 gas burners. I'd bitch about it but I get rather well fed from it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Or he paid $12K too much.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: SWBO
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ha, I actually had to google that. . I think I'm the one with the stove fetish. I'm so tired of electric stoves having had the luxury of cooking on gas from time to time. I actually had a nice 36" Bosch picked out, 5 stars, etc. But SWMBO has this French country thing, and Pinterest is my nemesis. Found this range from Italy that even I admit is gorgeous.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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good news - SWMBO'd has rescinded her desire for the Italian store (after I told here they were 24-30 weeks out - shipping issue). I'm back to Bosche.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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It could be worse... It could be the bathroom.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
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You've got that right!
Repo Man
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I raised a giant family. I'm trying to fix all the damage. Once I pay for the kitchen and the front porch, the master bath is next. Just doing my part to keep the economy moving.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Holy fsck, those prices are outrageous. I mean, I have only Italian stuff (guess why?) and I didn't pay that much. A good hood would cost 1000€ but there are many models below that, and a good gas range will hardly go over 1500 for top quality stuff.
Also, my experience with electric ovens is bad, plus Italian houses have only 3 kW of power available for the whole house (unless paying a disporportinate amount for the new meter and get a whopping 4.5 kW) so they're less than optimal.
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Depends on where the range is, I guess. If it's got to vent outside and it's nowhere near a wall, or the wall is made of prestressed diamond that looks like rock (as ours are) much of the cost could be in getting the exhaust from the hood to the outside world without looking industrial.
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OriginalGriff wrote: If it's got to vent outside and it's nowhere near a wall
I don't know if it's legal in my country, there are some building rules about it (e.g there must be a hole from the wall to the exterior positioned either high or low depending if using methane or propane) and I never saw a stove not near a wall. I should check.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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The range is actually on the inside garage wall. Ideally, I'd love to go to the roof, but remember, straight runs are important. A straight run would take it right through my upstairs hallway. Might impact re-sale value .
Seriously, I think most house architects for basic houses in America had brain-farts like crazy in the 80's. My house was built in 89, and it was a builder's house. No plan at all for proper venting.
So, the plan is to punch through to the garage and run a vent pipe along the ceiling to the exterior wall. Haven't decided if I want to frame and conceal it.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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den2k88 wrote: Italian houses have only 3 kW of power available for the whole house
How much?
Our's is a very old standard 80A meter, so that's about 20kW. 3kW would be exceeded if the shower and oven were on together, never mind any heating! 
The modern UK standard is for a 100A meter, so about 25kW. That'll likely increase as electric cars and wall boxes become the new normal.
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