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In a survey of tech industry workers, about 50% of respondents said they are very or somewhat interested in joining a union in their workplace, and more than 60% of millennials said they were interested. However, most of them just thought it was someone asking them out on a date
I mean: they asked 750 people, so this *must* be accurate, right?
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These were all SQL developers. Joining and Unions is their life.
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To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw:
Those who can, do. Those who cannot, unionise.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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The real truth about unions is kind of simple and I've seen the cycle a few times over the years.
When they have too much power they are a menace.
When they have too little power the "employers" become the menace.
In US, many of the major "crafts" are unionized (electricians, plumbers, carpenters, &etc). They're members do very well (at my expense) but far worse, and why they can charge so much, is that they control who and how many are allowed to join. Skills are not the test - just control (and the usual good-old-boys club).
Medicine in the US is, although not officially unionized, working just like the crafts.
Basically, it's not the unions that are the problem but rather the usual cause of most problems: greed. By the employers. By the union members. Actually, without greed we'd not need the unions to begin with.
There's a quote I heard somewhere about "Do unto others . . . " .
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There will always be greed. The greater moral question is whether violence, or the threat of it, is used to fulfill it. Unions and licensing rely on violence and are therefore the greater evil.
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Apparently your historical background on unions is a bit short sighted. When it comes to violence, it was the employers (coal mines, railroads, etc.) that employed violence (against workers). The Pinkerton's(a still-existent private police force) were particularly notorious.
As for licensing - I have observed the following (anecdotal but instructive): countries that invented little ignored patents - but once a few of them "came into their own" and started to create intellectual/manufacturerable items worth patenting they changed their behavior. Which brings back the even older memory of lawsuits demanding credit cards for those on welfare - this for unsecured credit. And how were they to pay their bills? Well - I'll save you they suspenseful ending: it would go into default and end up being paid by those who work and pay their bills. It's all part of the same cycle: "Whatever I want should be free . . . whatever is wanted from me? That must be paid for."
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I'm talking philosophy, and you want to drag history into it? 
I also find violence by employers repulsive. Why would you think otherwise? Actually, I don't have a problem with unions, so long as membership and dealing with them are voluntary.
I don't follow your second paragraph. You mention patents, which I also oppose and would completely replace with copyright. I'm willing to pay for what I want and believe others should do the same.
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Actually, at least patents eventually expire. Copyrights can last, basically, forever. Certainly in terms of a normal person's life span.
Expiration is a driving force for improvement by the patent owner.
Part of the gist of that second paragraph is that those without something of their own to protect don't want things protected; they change their opinion when it's there property (intellectual or otherwise) that needs protection.
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The examples that you give (electricians, plumbers, etc.) aren't unions, but guilds. If a precondition for working as a plumber is membership in the union, then the "union" is a guild. If everyone who works as a plumber is required to join the union, (a post-condition), that is a union.
Guilds exist only for one purpose - to restrict competition. They may justify it by appealing to public safety, health, etc., (and in some cases the justifications may actually make sense).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Well - to some extent you can get a license to be most of these crafts, at least now, without union membership.
Then, of course, you still need to be hired. Large contracts and steady employment are the power now wielded: if non-union workers are hired the jobs-site is picketed (by the union in question and often the other unions). Basically, it's organized crime in my opinion. But, without the unions, the employer's upper hand over, for example, working overtime for free or they'll find someone who will, shows the other side. And this latter example? I observed (first-person) this behavior at a subcontractor where I worked.
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Oh no, cant work for new company, they using Future Union version 2, and im only joined on for version 3.
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The vulnerability was discovered by a Twitter user who noticed that the Windows Security Account Manager (SAM) database - that contains all important passwords and keys - was now apparently accessible by non-admin users Microsoft giveth, and taketh away (hacking targets)
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The rapid rise and adoption of low-code application platforms is one of the most significant enterprise technology developments since the BYOD movement. Sorry, this year is already booked for Linux. Can we pencil you in for next year?
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This is the year of Linux desktop low-code applications.
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Proposed changes to EU law would force companies that transfer Bitcoin or other crypto-assets to collect details on the recipient and sender. "Now my advice for those who die, declare the pennies on your eyes"
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Kent Sharkey wrote: "Now my advice for those who die, declare the pennies on your eyes"
Why? No taxman will be allowed into Heaven, and even Hell doesn't want them.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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After raising $235 million in funding, AnyVision CEO Avi Golan tried to rally fellow executives to #stopthemadness of rising salaries for workers. It should all be going to the CEO, of course
How to win friends and influence people (and hire the best people), 2021 edition
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If you think a good specialist is expensive... wait until you hire a cheap one.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Wait until workers start asking for a Golden Parachute Clause.
The less you need, the more you have.
Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?
JaxCoder.com
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That article is a fine example of opinion journalism. An oxy-moron, I know, but that's what we have these days.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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"You can never have too much of more than you need" - mantra of the hideously wealthy.
Enron comes to mind, first.
I get some consolation in that they can never know any measure of contentment -
"Who is wealthy? He who is satisfied with his portion."
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: "Who is wealthy? He who is satisfied with his portion."
Another way to say it: Rich is not the one that has a lot, but the one that needs less
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Some retailers are charging Mac users more than PC users, despite selling the same product to both. The Shiny Tax
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Next up Amazon, etc. A while back (pre-covid) there was a story local to me about a woman who went shopping at Target. She looked up the price of something online at home. She got to the store and pulled up the item on her phone - tada, it was 15% more. Apparently, Target dynamically adjusts prices as you get closer to the store.
Amazon does this as well. So do car dealerships (always go in looking like a homeless person).
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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