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OriginalGriff wrote: Unless an auto is in Park it's effectively in neutral, and can roll back to hit the car behind.
Not in a Tesla. By default, when you press the brake until/when the vehicle is stopped, it stays in "Hold" mode until you depress either the brake or accelerator. [This is an option that can be configured away, but this is the default behaviour.]
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Wow, there are coding guidelines for traffic? 
I just skimmed over the start of it, and already stumbled over some curiosity (IMHO) among the pedestrian guidelines:
Quote: 2. If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see
oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and
- be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor light
- keep close to the side of the road.
It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming
traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.
Does anyone actually do that? I mean, walking on the right side of the road (in a country where cars drive on the left side) makes total sense. But then, crossing to the left side and continuing along the long side of the curve when you encounter a right bend  If anything, I'd do the opposite: cross over to the left sight upon encountering a left-hand bend, to cut a corner!
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Stefan_Lang wrote: Does anyone actually do that?
Nah, of course not. Pedestrians seem to assume that drivers are blessed with X-Ray vision - and usually choose to wear dark clothing on the unlit country lanes with no pavement.
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OriginalGriff wrote: In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following
traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This
will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Law RVLR reg 27
Wow, Did not know it was supposed to be like this?
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super wrote: Did not know it was supposed to be like this?
It's not, but it is. 
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If that blew your mind, wait until I tell you you're supposed to turn your fog lights off when cars are behind you too.
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In Germany I got stopped by the police because I hadn't turned off my fog lights once I got out of the fog.
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That's indeed a law in Germany, but only the back fog light, because it's so bright. More precisely, you are only allowed to switch it (i. e. the back fog light) on when you can't see past 50m.
The front fog lights may be switched on any time.
And it does make sense - I don't know about cars in other countries, but in germany, the back fog light is so bright, it's worse than a car coming your way with high-beam head lamps pointing your way! You pretty much have to avert your gaze, or else you'll see nothing else on the road.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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There are also rules on the use of headlamp flashers which are the exact inverse of what they are actually used for in the real world.
In theory - and you have to know this and demonstrate that on your driving test - you only use the headlight flashers to warn other drivers of your presence.
In practice you flash others to say "come on through, I'll wait until you are past", or "get out of my way, I'm faster than you"
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OriginalGriff wrote: "get out of my way, I'm faster than you"
Sounds fine to me: you simply
OriginalGriff wrote: warn other drivers of your presence
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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As you not used to drive that way, you will try to go on with handbrake locked... 
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I do that at draw bridges - you can get quite old waiting for them to finally return travel to the land vehicles. Actually, I shut the engine off, altogether.
Just something I've done in the past: since we've owned nothing but standard transmissions for many years, we (myself and Mrs. Wife) are quite used to driving with both feet. For a time, however, when we had the kids at home, etc., we needed a vehicle with bench seats and ended up with an automatic transmission. I trained myself to drive that with both feet instead of one doing all the work - in anticipation of returning to standard transmissions.
This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?
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The first time I hired a car in the UK, I was afraid the pedals would also be inverted. Fortunately, no. I thought shifting with my left hand might be difficult, but again no. The main problem was looking the wrong way when entering traffic, so I almost wore out my neck double- and even triple-checking.
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For me, it was roundabouts in France - not only did I have to remember to go round the wrong way and exit at the wrong exit, but I had to struggle with " Priorité à droite" which meant that (on some roundabouts) you give way to traffic joining instead of traffic already going round.
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There aren't many roundabouts on this side of the pond, but fortunately more are starting to show up.
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Greg Utas wrote: The first time I hired a car in the UK, I was afraid the pedals would also be inverted. Fortunately, no. I thought shifting with my left hand might be difficult, but again no.
For me it was simple: just do everything the other way round compared to what I was used to. The hardest part was getting back to normal when I returned to the continent - after training hard to always do it the other way round, I had lost my point of reference
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?
After foot/ankle surgery on he right leg, my Mom had an adapter fitted to her (automatic) car to let her operate the gas/brake with her left foot. It was a pain to un/reinstall, so when I needed to move it around the driveway once I tried operating the car with it still in place. It was a massive brain ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) , I didn't cause an accident but having to actively think about every operation instead of relying on muscle memory slowed my operation down to a crawl.
Depending on how long you're on the disabled list, wrong foot driving might be worth considering; but find an empty parking lot to practice in for a while first and avoid any high traffic/etc areas until you're feeling confident in what you're doing.
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Claim disability and get a free new car with automatic handbrake... well, that's what we do in the UK .
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I do not know, in France we do not wait for signals.
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The handbrake is my preferred way to hold a manual transmission on a hill. There is no downside once you learn how to coordinate the handbrake with the clutch when you start moving again.
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not much.
My Dad had polio when he was a kid. His left leg never was strong nor was his right leg all that. He always did this for 60+ years of driving. Nothing ever was wrong with the Emergency Brake.
And yet he drove a stick shift most of those years. He would lift his leg with his left hand to place it on the clutch and then work around to get everything going. Never had any real issue.
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The handbrake is only for when you need to do a fast u-turn in the middle of the road, duh!
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My "German" car recommends, when it is safe to do so, engaging the hand brake to slow the car every so often (and gave some reason I can't remember off-hand).
It notes that your brake lights don't come on; so you have to still tap the brake if you want to show you're braking.
The downside is forgetting to disengage it (I guess).
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My 6 years old car is hand shifting but I have (and use) the "hill assistant". If the motor is on and there is no gear, when you release the break the car breaks for himself. And if you switch the motor off, it pulls the park break automatically.
Very comfortable.
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