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Amarnath S12-Jun-20 15:10

Amarnath S

12-Jun-20 15:10

Quote:

"All Scrum is Agile, but all Agile is not Scrum".

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Greg Utas12-Jun-20 16:05

Greg Utas

12-Jun-20 16:05

A rugby union scrum is rarely "agile". Poke tongue | ;-P

SeattleC++15-Jun-20 5:57

SeattleC++

15-Jun-20 5:57

That's the cool thing about Agile. It means whatever you choose it to mean. If you implement Agile and it works, you can say, "See? Agile works!" If you implement Agile and it doesn't help, you can say, "We weren't agile enough!"

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Greg Utas12-Jun-20 13:16

Greg Utas

12-Jun-20 13:16

Some kind of process is needed, but there's no substitute for a culture of design excellence. If an organization has that, it can use any reasonable process. If it doesn't have that, no process is going to kiss things and make them better.

raddevus13-Jun-20 5:04

13-Jun-20 5:04

Greg Utas wrote:
Some kind of process is needed, but there's no substitute for a culture of design excellence. If an organization has that, it can use any reasonable process. If it doesn't have that, no process is going to kiss things and make them better.

Yes, that's exactly it.

F-ES Sitecore13-Jun-20 4:01

F-ES Sitecore

13-Jun-20 4:01

raddevus wrote:
Scrum Offers No Benefits When You Only Follow the Process

In my experience people generally ignore the processes and only use the tools. After a month on any project they think they're agile because they're using Jira.

raddevus13-Jun-20 5:07

13-Jun-20 5:07

F-ES Sitecore wrote:
In my experience people generally ignore the processes and only use the tools. After a month on any project they think they're agile because they're using Jira.

That's a very good point and is very often the case. That's how things work a lot of times...you try something, you get some benefit and then you get bored of managing the process so it all slides down the slippery slope into sameness.

agolddog15-Jun-20 2:55

agolddog

15-Jun-20 2:55

Yeah, it's a mental leap that many people and organizations are unwilling or unable to make.

On a recent project, the PM was touting how "we're going to be agile and do iterative development!"

Six weeks later, when a terribly-written 60+ requirements document arrived, they were surprised when I wanted it broken down into jira tickets for each component, with dependencies between the components referenced in the ticket relationships.

I explained the idea was to have smaller, understandable pieces of implementation that we can cross off the list, while keeping in mind the overall whole. Plus that way, if there were bugs/changes we found when implementing piece X, we can just reopen that one ticket, and not have a stream of issues in a single, overarching ticket which would be impossible to track.

Well, that's too hard, apparently. As we know, email is a legitimate change tracking system.

Sigh.

abmv13-Jun-20 5:49

abmv

13-Jun-20 5:49

only u can solve ur problems

Caveat Emptor.

"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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Greg Utas13-Jun-20 6:43

Greg Utas

13-Jun-20 6:43

Which has also been stated as, "No one is coming [to rescue you]." Least of all, a process.

I hadn't seen that Long (Heinlein) quote before. Thanks for that!

raddevus13-Jun-20 8:07

13-Jun-20 8:07

abmv wrote:
only u can solve ur problems

so true.

User 1106097913-Jun-20 7:18

User 11060979

13-Jun-20 7:18

Scrum/Agile is only a lazy excuse to try again and again in case of failures. This instead of first think in more detail and write down the specs as good as possible.

It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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CPallini14-Jun-20 20:18

CPallini

14-Jun-20 20:18

Agile will not solve your problems, but it is not just a myth: it will create problems for you.

Chris Maunder15-Jun-20 7:19

Chris Maunder

15-Jun-20 7:19

raddevus wrote:
Only by embracing the 12 Principles behind the Agile Manifesto and the Scrum Values will Scrum unfold its full potential

Is it just me or does it feel like we really need Tony Robbins at this point?

cheers
Chris Maunder

raddevus15-Jun-20 11:17

15-Jun-20 11:17

Chris Maunder wrote:
Is it just me or does it feel like we really need Tony Robbins at this point?

Embrace the principles! Yes, but tighter...tighter.
Really grab hold and embrace those principles!!!

Now, scream, "I'm embracing the embraceable PRINCIPLES!!!! I am ONE with the PRINCIPLES!!!"

Ok, now you're Agile!!
Please despoist $1,000 in my Agile Bank-Account to prove you are certified. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

Another free game: Hitman Absolution

Gerry Schmitz15-Jun-20 12:29

Gerry Schmitz

15-Jun-20 12:29

Scrums are for where there is no "lead", and you need to know from day-to-day who is doing what instead of simply having a weekly "update" (since the "lead" already knows all).

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

OriginalGriff12-Jun-20 5:29

12-Jun-20 5:29

If you follow Agent 47 (and his "sneak about and kill people, but only the bad guys" games) then you may have it already: GoG: Hitman Absolution[^] - free!

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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan12-Jun-20 10:09

Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

12-Jun-20 10:09

I like the soundtrack and the CGI bullet and gun moment from the movie when he was in the US embassy/consulate.

Hitman Agent 47 (2015) - Police Station Scene (1080p) FULL HD - YouTube (Not sure why the title is Police Station Laugh | :laugh:

)

Did you get a chance to play the game? I have tried to play a couple on my Xbox, but they are all boring, and they require a huge amount of patience from the player.

The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
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OriginalGriff12-Jun-20 11:03

12-Jun-20 11:03

Not yet - spare time issues - but I've played the second in the series, and kind of enjoy the "sneak and snipe" type of "thinking gameplay" instead of the usual "rush in with a big Gnu".

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Nelek14-Jun-20 3:57

Nelek

14-Jun-20 3:57

OriginalGriff wrote:
and kind of enjoy the "sneak and snipe" type of "thinking gameplay" instead of the usual "rush in with a big Gnu".

Then you are going to enjoy it (and I very probably too Smile | :)

)
I got some videos of the ingame content proposed... "best kills on Hitman" or something like that... I was like WTF | :WTF:

you have to come to imagine that first.

BTW... looks like the word "teh" is not the only one you have problems with... Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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OriginalGriff14-Jun-20 4:46

14-Jun-20 4:46

You never used the Gnu mod for Doom? Laugh | :laugh:

Including the Double Barreled Shotgnu, the Chaingnu, and not forgetting the Big F'ing Gnu? Laugh | :laugh:

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OriginalGriff12-Jun-20 4:28