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Years ago I bought a PS4 on sale so I could play Fallout 4 - I'm a sucker for the fallout franchise. Shut up and take my money.
And yet, now I've finally decided to game some more, and so I went to download some new games and my poor hard drive is out of space. I have I think 3 games installed right now.
It's only 120GB but still, that's like almost 40GB installed per game!
I mean, I get it. Games these days have huge budgets and the textures and worldmap size to match. Still, I have to wonder why Sony even sold a 120GB PS4 system in the first place, with HDDs being so cheap and knowing the probable size of the games - which I'm sure sony did at release time.
Man, I remember when games were on proper cartridges and you didn't need to fiddle with any of this.
That would be nice. I've been bored spitless for the past few days waiting for my new 1TB HDD to come so I can slap it in and download the rest of the yakuza franchise.
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Modern Warfare is ~185GB and Warzone is ~101GB  I get it too but it's still pretty comical. I've been playing mostly PoE (just checked, 21.4GB) and online chess.
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But why? How complicated can first person shooters be? I mean, you can only shoot people in so many different locales before it all starts kind of running together. Then again, maybe I'm not the one to ask, since I stopped playing FPS games after that repeat of Doom, Quake. I can't tell them apart.
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honey the codewitch wrote: But why?
graphics files, I am guessing. These games have massive maps and those massive maps need graphics files for all resolutions, etc.
World of Warcraft is the same way, huge footprint, mostly due to graphics related files, and code.
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What Slacker said. Also some of these games are uncompressed to speed up loading times. I haven't seriously played an FPS since BF2142 but I know a lot of the modern ones have interactive/destructible environments which I imagine is more complex than textures slapped on a wall.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Man, I remember when games were on proper cartridges floppy disc and you didn't need to fiddle with any of this.
FIFY
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I've never been much of a PC gamer. PCs are for building software. 
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Except for the targeted buyers, I do not differentiate between the inner guts of game station of some sort and a PC. Perhaps the former is more limited . . . but . . .
The real distinction is contrived: you need to buy a certain system to run a certain game. Not because it's necessary but because it's marketing. All things could be available to all platforms.
Replace a keyboard with a joystick - WTF (i.e., watch the fun).
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Well one of the reasons I go with a console is unlike PCs game developers are forced to target a particular set of hardware requirements, meaning my gaming system is adequate hardware-wise for years.
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In my final year at Uni, I wrote a set of games (admittedly text based) including MasterMind, 3D Noughts and Crosses, Lunar Lander that each ran in under 2K written in Coral66 (mainly because it had macros for all of the machine language instructions so you were effectively writing assembler). The limit of 2K was because that was all that the Uni. allowed for student programs.
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Not anywhere near as dramatic as the 2K you enjoyed, but the first PC game I bought was Epyx ROGUE - and it came on a 160K single-sided floppy. Text base, perhaps, but I was playing the game for the game and not as a media event.
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Here[^] is what you can render with a 4k executable (not 4k the video format, 4kb of code). This is realtime calculated, including the music.
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As I mention in a posting below: Rather than picking up a 70 Mbyte video of what can be created by a 4Ki executable, try to find that 4Ki executable!
I find this one on elevated by Rgba & TBC :: pouët.net[^], but unfortunately, it requires DX9, which won't run on Windows 10. (If anyone knows of a way to run it on Win10, please tell!)
In the meantime, pouet.net has lots of Win10 compatible executables, some even smaller than 4Ki. I think Skyline by LJ & Logicoma :: pouët.net[^] (which I also mention in my other post) is one of the better ones.
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Member 7989122 wrote: it requires DX9, which won't run on Windows 10.
Hence the youtube video.
And the best two will remain forever "Second Reality" for PC Demo and .theprodukkt from farbrausch, but only people who tried to code realtime graphical effects back inthe '90 and early 2000 will know why.
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Hahaha.
Remember when pirating games involved a Sanyo Twin Tape Deck Ghetto Blaster.
Back when software was available on vinyl (records) inside magazines?
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What would be the fraction: (Size of actual code like C++ or other language files)/(Size of resources like bitmaps, sound files, etc.)?
Less than 5%, I believe.
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okay fair
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You can get 2tb drives for less than $60 - check NewEgg.
That should give you enough room for at least five more games. 
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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modified 18-May-20 13:45pm.
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2.5inch 2TB drives are a little pricier than that. I just ordered a 1TB for about $50
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My first PC games were text based and loaded with a cassette! (ti-994a ca. 1983) 
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